Faith proofing

[Jordon]

It's not like you to disappear Jordan. What happened?

Did you think this reply was going to prove to me that I'm Catholic?

I hope we can finally put that to bed, what do you think?

It's not what I believe about you that matters it's what you believe in yourself that matters more to you than anyone else, does that make sense.

Now as for you being Catholic, when it comes to obedience.

What's the difference between being obedient in a Catholic sense and protestant sense.

Well the answer from a Catholic point of view would be you can be far more disobedient in the protestant faith but it's all just the same as being a little bit disobedient

A Catholic says if your really disobedient then your in big trouble.

So are you Catholic now or protestant in this sense ?

Now if your Catholic in this sense, does this mean your are a Catholic altogether

 

[Watchman22]

It's not what I believe about you that matters it's what you believe in yourself that matters more to you than anyone else, does that make sense.

Now as for you being Catholic, when it comes to obedience.

What's the difference between being obedient in a Catholic sense and protestant sense.

Well the answer from a Catholic point of view would be you can be far more disobedient in the protestant faith but it's all just the same as being a little bit disobedient

A Catholic says if your really disobedient then your in big trouble.

So are you Catholic now or protestant in this sense ?

Now if your Catholic in this sense, does this mean your are a Catholic altogether

Maybe there's something wrong with me, because I rarely think about obedience.

38 years ago, I made a covenant, a contract with God. This contract or covenant was based on making a daily decision to turn my life and will over to Him. The more I did it, the more I knew there was something special about it. 38 years have gone by, and I'm still doing it like it was the first day.

What i didn't know at the beginning, is that the decision to turn my life and will over to God was what true saving faith is. I then had this intense desire to know what happened, and how it happened.

Long story short, I would learn that everything in Gods ways is either in faith, by faith, or through faith. And that word faith had a corresponding verb that the English language couldn't translate. That word is pisteuo, which means a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

So what should be understood is that Gods ways are, in a continually surrendered life, by a continually surrendered life, and through a continually surrendered life.

That's what I think about, all day long. I dont know what denomination that makes me, i don't give that much thought either.

You owe me an answer Jordan.
What visible characteristic would say to you, there goes a little Christ?

 

[Jordon]

Maybe there's something wrong with me, because I rarely think about obedience.

38 years ago, I made a covenant, a contract with God. This contract or covenant was based on making a daily decision to turn my life and will over to Him. The more I did it, the more I knew there was something special about it. 38 years have gone by, and I'm still doing it like it was the first day.

What i didn't know at the beginning, is that the decision to turn my life and will over to God was what true saving faith is. I then had this intense desire to know what happened, and how it happened.

Long story short, I would learn that everything in Gods ways is either in faith, by faith, or through faith. And that word faith had a corresponding verb that the English language couldn't translate. That word is pisteuo, which means a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

So what should be understood is that Gods ways are, in a continually surrendered life, by a continually surrendered life, and through a continually surrendered life.

That's what I think about, all day long. I dont know what denomination that makes me, i don't give that much thought either.

You owe me an answer Jordan.
What visible characteristic would say to you, there goes a little Christ?

When you put an unhappy face down at a post i made against Marcionism related to catholics, and then you quote you do daily surrender, which is a Catholic belief also, one and one adds up, to you may have issues with being assured your saved like many catholics do,

Now if I chuck a stone to find out, it may wound, but based on how much you have grown, I'm sure that doesn't matter that much.

That being said if you had of explained it this way the first time, would I have asked the question in the first place.

Now like I said, why should daily surrender just be seen as necessary commitment, when by all accounts, daily renewing is an seen as an automatic process, because your faith has blossomed.


Now on the other hand how many little stones have you chucked back. Well the answer is quite a few, and it proves you have faith,

Now I feel you can be assured you have saving faith,

Now did I ask you why you put an unhappy face down at Marcionism, no I thought you where a discerning Christian unhappy with me for perhaps being harsh on Catholics, so I said nothing.

But when there was disagreement over assurance, I chucked the stone after you mentioned daily surrender , but I said that's a Catholic belief, I didn't say you was a catholic, because unlike some Catholics I don't think it's alright to say daily surrender should be seen as a special Catholic thing, making the title of Catholic more special than anything else.

 

[Watchman22]

When you put an unhappy face down at a post i made against Marcionism related to catholics, and then you quote you do daily surrender, which is a Catholic belief also, one and one adds up, to you may have issues with being assured your saved like many catholics do,

Now if I chuck a stone to find out, it may wound, but based on how much you have grown, I'm sure that doesn't matter that much.

That being said if you had of explained it this way the first time, would I have asked the question in the first place.

Now like I said, why should daily surrender just be seen as necessary commitment, when by all accounts, daily renewing is an seen as an automatic process, because your faith has blossomed.


Now on the other hand how many little stones have you chucked back. Well the answer is quite a few, and it proves you have faith,

Now I feel you can be assured you have saving faith,

Now did I ask you why you put an unhappy face down at Marcionism, no I thought you where a discerning Christian unhappy with me for perhaps being harsh on Catholics, so I said nothing.

But when there was disagreement over assurance, I chucked the stone after you mentioned daily surrender , but I said that's a Catholic belief, I didn't say you was a catholic, because unlike some Catholics I don't think it's alright to say daily surrender should be seen as a special Catholic thing, making the title of Catholic more special than anything else.

Ah Marconionism?
I've never heard of it. You either have me mixed up with someone else, or I hit something accidentally. I don't use emoji.

Can you show me where you saw this unhappy face?

 

[Jordon]

Ah Marconionism?
I've never heard of it. You either have me mixed up with someone else, or I hit something accidentally. I don't use emoji.

Can you show me where you saw this unhappy face?

in the understanding assurance thread, where you watched RC sprouls sermons after I pleaded with you to watch them several times. On the first page I noted Marcionism

Marcionism is related to the first ever bible that was wrote with first with new testament writings 2 centuries after Christ, he only included certain writing of Paul but he only favoured the epistles, and an edited version of Luke, he had issues with the God of the old and his father was considered Catholic. The bible was rejected by catholics

The first bible generally accepted with a complete new testament bible was four centuries after Christ.

So you can see the greek catholics where upto the same old dogma right after Christ

 

[Edward429451]

Oh goodie, so is faith proofing a good thing, what's an example

That doesnt sound right lol. I know what you mean. But it doesnt work that way and I have an example.

I was sitting there reading and praying one morning and I found myself feeling like I want to do more for the Lord. But I drive an old junky truck that is unreliable at best and I was in an auto accident that busted up my back and I can't walk as far anymore. So I'm praying to the Lord, Lord can I do something for you? But I cant walk far and my trucks broke down, so can it be something that I can do from my easy chair somehow? and as I was saying my Amens to that prayer, the phone begins to ring. An old friend who wants to stop over and ask me a few questions about God, and you know about God so hey? (Wow that was fast!) So I said yes and I knew God had answered my prayer. Very cool.

So I remember to go up and star a fresh pot of coffee for when he gets here. I find that I am out of coffee and drinking the last 1/2 pot full. Drat. I have an impulse to pray about it. Being self employed means I have prayed during slow seasons many times Lord send me some work. But I thought about it and a scripture says He knows your needs before you pray, don't worry what you will eat or wear, God knows and if He takes care of sparrows, He will take care of us even more! So I don't need to pray for work so I can buy coffee at all. And I put it out of my mind, it is what it is, I'm out of coffee for my company! Worse things have happened.

So eventually I hear a knock on the door, he's here! I go to the door and as he is stepping in he is handing me something...
I brought you some coffee Ed! He did not know I was out of coffee I never told him that. I never prayed and asked God for coffee. But my mind is feeling like a pinball machine and TILT. Why did this coffee show up at my door?

This has to be God. But I did not pray and ask for coffee so there is no faith in play, now is there?! Still, 2 pounds of gourmet coffee is in my hands. Why is it there?

And it hit me...I thought about praying for work/money/coffee but remembered the Word says we dont need to, dont worry about that stuff, so I stood on that and did not say the prayer! And then was my faith! I had faith in God's word that I didnt have to pray about it so I did not, and in not praying for it I demonstrated faith, and Jesus is all over that so He sent me some coffee! I had just prayed, hey Lord can I help You? and no strings attached, lol. so He liked it and said ok I'll have some good coffee delivered to my boy Edward!

Isnt that about the coolest thing ever? I dont pray for coffee so it's there knocking on my door in less than 30 minutes!

Praise the Lord! That's my God!

But I have my faith proof in what happened. I can not show it to you. I have my witness, my testimony that it happened. But actual proof of the Lord can not be demonstrated or repeated in a lab. My faith worked because I wasnt trying to prove God. I was being matter of fact. So I got my proof.

 

[Watchman22]

in the understanding assurance thread, where you watched RC sprouls sermons after I pleaded with you to watch them several times. On the first page I noted Marcionism

Marcionism is related to the first ever bible that was wrote with first with new testament writings 2 centuries after Christ, he only included certain writing of Paul but he only favoured the epistles, and an edited version of Luke, he had issues with the God of the old and his father was considered Catholic. The bible was rejected by catholics

The first bible generally accepted with a complete new testament bible was four centuries after Christ.

So you can see the greek catholics where upto the same old dogma right after Christ

I checked the first page, no unhappy emoji by me. And seeing ive never heard of marconioism, I wouldn't have commented on it.
In 38 years of trying to communicate the correct understanding of pisteuo, ive been called every name in the book. But never Catholic.

You obviously have a deep seated resentment toward the Catholic Church.
Resentments can cause alot of damage Jordan .

You need to realize, we are all at different levels of understanding, and doing that in different places. God has many different ways to get the product He's looking for. And frankly, that's none of our business.

If your surrendered life is such that you can point out stumbling blocks to others, then just do that. If they don't hear or understand you, that also is none of our business , that's on them.

You have a good heart Jordan, you reek of it, a blind man could sense it. Maybe that's one of those visible characteristics you were talking about. Resentments will demolish that good heart if you let it.

 

[Edward429451]

No.

A “living force” is a fantasy concept and has no biblical basis. Such a thing would operate independently of its host and with its own volition.

In the real world, there are sentient beings, both physical and non-physical, but no impersonal non-physical “forces”.

If there were, then sin could be blamed on them.

Havent you ever read Pilgrims Progress? Hope is her name. Faith is a name. Wisdom is a name. And she is a living force!

 

[Jordon]

I checked the first page, no unhappy emoji by me. And seeing ive never heard of marconioism, I wouldn't have commented on it.
In 38 years of trying to communicate the correct understanding of pisteuo, ive been called every name in the book. But never Catholic.

You obviously have a deep seated resentment toward the Catholic Church.
Resentments can cause alot of damage Jordan .

You need to realize, we are all at different levels of understanding, and doing that in different places. God has many different ways to get the product He's looking for. And frankly, that's none of our business.

If your surrendered life is such that you can point out stumbling blocks to others, then just do that. If they don't hear or understand you, that also is none of our business , that's on them.

You have a good heart Jordan, you reek of it, a blind man could sense it. Maybe that's one of those visible characteristics you were talking about. Resentments will demolish that good heart if you let it.

Preaching human free will conscience has the final decision in heaven, is pure heresy, plain and simple.

And then preaching pray and receive the saints suffering in paradise and become a saint your self, by your own free will, is completely striking the heart of me, as it's stripping the authority of Christ.

Now to cap it of with there free will heresesy we have hundreds of people clueless, when they call me a calvinistic pig for challenging there free will heresy.

I guess I should be over the moon about that, watching good people be slayed.

Anyhow heres your unhappy face to marcionism.

 

[Dino246]

Havent you ever read Pilgrims Progress? Hope is her name. Faith is a name. Wisdom is a name. And she is a living force!

When did Pilgrim’s Progress become Scripture?

 

[Watchman22]

Preaching human free will conscience has the final decision in heaven, is pure heresy, plain and simple.

And then preaching pray and receive the saints suffering in paradise and become a saint your self, by your own free will, is completely striking the heart of me, as it's stripping the authority of Christ.

Now to cap it of with there free will heresesy we have hundreds of people clueless, when they call me a calvinistic pig for challenging there free will heresy.

I guess I should be over the moon about that, watching good people be slayed.

Anyhow heres your unhappy face to marcionism.

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The only problem with this is it doesn't say it's me. There's no unhappy face on that thread.
Secondly, the words " praying for the saints " never came out of my mouth.

Your flirting with misrepresentation, which i concder to be the worst things a human can do to another. What did I ever do to you to deserve this?

 

[Edward429451]

When did Pilgrim’s Progress become Scripture?

Ecclesiastes 6:22
22 For wisdom is according to her name, and she is not manifest unto many..../KJV

and in Proverbs it refers to wisdom as, she. I'm pretty sure all three of them are named in scripture somewhere.

Oh yes, Hope does have a Name, and His Name is Jesus. Is that enough for you?

 

[Dino246]

Ecclesiastes 6:22
22 For wisdom is according to her name, and she is not manifest unto many..../KJV

and in Proverbs it refers to wisdom as, she. I'm pretty sure all three of them are named in scripture somewhere.

Oh yes, Hope does have a Name, and His Name is Jesus. Is that enough for you?

So let's play semantics instead of understanding the context in which the term was actually used and responding accordingly.

Do you often seek to start unnecessary arguments, or do you just have some warped desire to lock horns with me?

 

[Watchman22]

Jordan, I've spent my entire lif

When you put an unhappy face down at a post i made against Marcionism related to catholics, and then you quote you do daily surrender, which is a Catholic belief also, one and one adds up, to you may have issues with being assured your saved like many catholics do,

Now if I chuck a stone to find out, it may wound, but based on how much you have grown, I'm sure that doesn't matter that much.

That being said if you had of explained it this way the first time, would I have asked the question in the first place.

Now like I said, why should daily surrender just be seen as necessary commitment, when by all accounts, daily renewing is an seen as an automatic process, because your faith has blossomed.


Now on the other hand how many little stones have you chucked back. Well the answer is quite a few, and it proves you have faith,

Now I feel you can be assured you have saving faith,

Now did I ask you why you put an unhappy face down at Marcionism, no I thought you where a discerning Christian unhappy with me for perhaps being harsh on Catholics, so I said nothing.

But when there was disagreement over assurance, I chucked the stone after you mentioned daily surrender , but I said that's a Catholic belief, I didn't say you was a catholic, because unlike some Catholics I don't think it's alright to say daily surrender should be seen as a special Catholic thing, making the title of Catholic more special than anything else.

E

Jordan, I've spent my entire life looking for teachers that taught faith correctly. I found one. He was a pro testant, who didn't care for Catholic doctrine either. He always said" traditions make void the word of God." You couldn't get more protestant than he was. He even made songs about the Catholics, " sister sal and man these pews are killing me. " I didn't really care for His resentment of the Catholic Church either, but there was alot to tolerate with him.

I may have heard him mention Marcon at some point, but nothing that stuck.
He did teach about "Tations diatesseron" the earliest know collection of the 4 gospels written in syriac. 160-175 AD. He may have owned it. His Stanford props had never heard of it. Most people don't.

He collected the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican. These manuscripts included much of Luther's works.

 

[Watchman22]

Jordan, I've spent my entire lif

When you put an unhappy face down at a post i made against Marcionism related to catholics, and then you quote you do daily surrender, which is a Catholic belief also, one and one adds up, to you may have issues with being assured your saved like many catholics do,

Now if I chuck a stone to find out, it may wound, but based on how much you have grown, I'm sure that doesn't matter that much.

That being said if you had of explained it this way the first time, would I have asked the question in the first place.

Now like I said, why should daily surrender just be seen as necessary commitment, when by all accounts, daily renewing is an seen as an automatic process, because your faith has blossomed.


Now on the other hand how many little stones have you chucked back. Well the answer is quite a few, and it proves you have faith,

Now I feel you can be assured you have saving faith,

Now did I ask you why you put an unhappy face down at Marcionism, no I thought you where a discerning Christian unhappy with me for perhaps being harsh on Catholics, so I said nothing.

But when there was disagreement over assurance, I chucked the stone after you mentioned daily surrender , but I said that's a Catholic belief, I didn't say you was a catholic, because unlike some Catholics I don't think it's alright to say daily surrender should be seen as a special Catholic thing, making the title of Catholic more special than anything else.

E

Jordan, I've spent my entire life looking for teachers that taught faith correctly. I found one. He was a pro testant, who didn't care for Catholic doctrine either. He always said" traditions make void the word of God." You couldn't get more protestant than he was. He even made songs about the Catholics, " sister sal and man these pews are killing me. " I didn't really care for His resentment of the Catholic Church either, but there was alot to tolerate with him.

I may have heard him mention Marcon at some point, but nothing that stuck.
He did teach about "Tations diatesseron" the earliest know collection of the 4 gospels written in syriac. 160-175 AD. He may have owned it. His Stanford props had never heard of it. Most people don't.

He collected the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican. These manuscripts included much of Luther's works.

 

[Watchman22]

Jordan, I've spent my entire lif

When you put an unhappy face down at a post i made against Marcionism related to catholics, and then you quote you do daily surrender, which is a Catholic belief also, one and one adds up, to you may have issues with being assured your saved like many catholics do,

Now if I chuck a stone to find out, it may wound, but based on how much you have grown, I'm sure that doesn't matter that much.

That being said if you had of explained it this way the first time, would I have asked the question in the first place.

Now like I said, why should daily surrender just be seen as necessary commitment, when by all accounts, daily renewing is an seen as an automatic process, because your faith has blossomed.


Now on the other hand how many little stones have you chucked back. Well the answer is quite a few, and it proves you have faith,

Now I feel you can be assured you have saving faith,

Now did I ask you why you put an unhappy face down at Marcionism, no I thought you where a discerning Christian unhappy with me for perhaps being harsh on Catholics, so I said nothing.

But when there was disagreement over assurance, I chucked the stone after you mentioned daily surrender , but I said that's a Catholic belief, I didn't say you was a catholic, because unlike some Catholics I don't think it's alright to say daily surrender should be seen as a special Catholic thing, making the title of Catholic more special than anything else.

E

Jordan, I've spent my entire life looking for teachers that taught faith correctly. I found one. He was a pro testant, who didn't care for Catholic doctrine either. He always said" traditions make void the word of God." You couldn't get more protestant than he was. He even made songs about the Catholics, " sister sal and man these pews are killing me. " I didn't really care for His resentment of the Catholic Church either, but there was alot to tolerate with him.

I may have heard him mention Marcon at some point, but nothing that stuck.
He did teach about "Tations diatesseron" the earliest know collection of the 4 gospels written in syriac. 160-175 AD. He may have owned it. His Stanford props had never heard of it. Most people don't.

He collected the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican. These manuscripts included much of Luther's works.

 

[Jordon]

Jordan, I've spent my entire lif

E

Jordan, I've spent my entire life looking for teachers that taught faith correctly. I found one. He was a pro testant, who didn't care for Catholic doctrine either. He always said" traditions make void the word of God." You couldn't get more protestant than he was. He even made songs about the Catholics, " sister sal and man these pews are killing me. " I didn't really care for His resentment of the Catholic Church either, but there was alot to tolerate with him.

I may have heard him mention Marcon at some point, but nothing that stuck.
He did teach about "Tations diatesseron" the earliest know collection of the 4 gospels written in syriac. 160-175 AD. He may have owned it. His Stanford props had never heard of it. Most people don't.

He collected the largest collection of biblical manuscripts in private hands behind the Vatican. These manuscripts included much of Luther's works.

well im not him sorry, I've shown time and time again I'm concerned for catholics following an apostate church.

So as my teacher RC Sproul.

I don't have a teacher that hates sorry

I believe I have a teacher who loves people to be saved and believe there saved

 

[Watchman22]

well im not him sorry, I've shown time and time again I'm concerned for catholics following an apostate church.

So as my teacher RC Sproul.

I don't have a teacher that hates sorry

I believe I have a teacher who loves people to be saved and believe there saved

Good luck with that.

Just one last thing, there is one precondition to faith, it's honesty. No honesty with yourself and others, no Holy spirit.

I always just assume that about people here.

 

[Jordon]

Good luck with that.

Just one last thing, there is one precondition to faith, it's honesty. No honesty with yourself and others, no Holy spirit.

I always just assume that about people here.

it goes something like we love Coz God first loved us

 

[Edward429451]

So let's play semantics instead of understanding the context in which the term was actually used and responding accordingly.

Do you often seek to start unnecessary arguments, or do you just have some warped desire to lock horns with me?

Huh? No I said it light heartedly. No locking horns needed lol.