Faith or Law?

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I disagree with those who promote rigid observance of Law in order to be righteous. I do not say such things in isolation.
Galatians 3: 1-5
O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

This was written by one of the foremost scholars of the Law. We do well to take him seriously.

Well said Brother. People walk the isle, say a prayer, get baptized then spend the rest of their life trying to earn it with religious performance. It's not performance anymore! It's relationship.

You know a lot about Jesus but do you know Him?

There's no crowns in Heaven for leading the Childrens Ministry for 30 years, no crowns for knowing lots of doctrine, no crowns for being able to quote 10.000 verses from scripture. He wants His people to talk to Him! Talk to Him all day long. I took Him to work with me! After awhile it turns into a real conversation, then you realize you can talk to Him in your head while conducting business. It's simple to do but it is hard at first. He is the one who sticks closer than a brother so talk His ear off and dont ignore Him because of that! That cultivates relationship.
 
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No one says specifically that they place the law of God above God Himself. Jesus said that people speak from the abundance of the heart. And what are some people always talking about? How wonderful the grace of God is? How wonderful it is to have our sins forgiven? How good it is to be a new creation in Christ? How wonderful it is to be born again? No. They talk about how the believer must never sin, must obey the law and argue against the Word that contradicts them. That is putting the Law above God Himself.


It makes God happy when we obey Him though. He's done so much for us why not do this for Him?


You did not follow His conversation. I even provided a link so that you could.

You left Him at Mt Sinai and claim that you've kept His word. You've regarded Him as a tool in your service if ever you happen fail in keeping the law.

I don't have to check if you failed. I know you constantly fail, and it is only the grace of God that doesn't remember them.

Nobody needs a license to sin; there's no such thing. It comes to you, the same as everyone else, naturally.

But doing good comes to you naturally now. Sure, it does. :rolleyes:


Why does this even bother you? It doesnt bother me. It's not like I'm going to lose sleep that you disapprove of me. You're not my God.


It's really wild. I don't understand why it's bad to make God happy when obedience 8s what He likes.

You're all trying to shame me with your disapproval, but it's really God’s approval that matters most. Peer pressure just doesn't work on me.

It makes God happy when we allow Him to work in our lives to conform us to His Christ-likeness. Obedience just happens to be apart of it.


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You seem to suppose that those who look to the law seek to, and do live a holier life
That has not been my experience over decades from what I have seen. And it is not Paul's view as to how to live a holier life either.
I wonder how many honest and humble folk would agree with you, it is easy to obey the laws/Ten Commandments? Paul referred to them as the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation didn't he. I am always wary of people who say it is easy to obey the law. Generally speaking I would doubt they have the conviction they should as to what obedience entails.
As one person noted:
If the ten commandments are written in your mind and placed on your heart, how could you believe you fully obey them?


Really? You don't know? We have to walk closely with the Lord to let us know about our ptogress and what God feels needs work.

I thought everyone had a close walk with God....


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Well said Brother. People walk the isle, say a prayer, get baptized then spend the rest of their life trying to earn it with religious performance. It's not performance anymore! It's relationship.

You know a lot about Jesus but do you know Him?

There's no crowns in Heaven for leading the Childrens Ministry for 30 years, no crowns for knowing lots of doctrine, no crowns for being able to quote 10.000 verses from scripture. He wants His people to talk to Him! Talk to Him all day long. I took Him to work with me! After awhile it turns into a real conversation, then you realize you can talk to Him in your head while conducting business. It's simple to do but it is hard at first. He is the one who sticks closer than a brother so talk His ear off and dont ignore Him because of that! That cultivates relationship.
So many miss it. Eternal life is not knowing doctrine. It is knowing God and Jesus. (John 17:3). He who has the Son has the life. Without that, no religious gymnastics will please God.
 
I just obey God because it makes Him happy. Plus He gave me His Holy Spirit to cause me to obey Him, so why not?


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But the Holy Spirit does not cause us to obey Him. That is accomplished thru our free will and our choices. You cant get saved thru a prayer and go on your merry way living your life. We have to Believe Him and His word too. If you do a word study on Believe it will tell that it's walking in it, being led by the Spirit. That doesnt mean on Sunday and Wednesday nights and you live a normal life the rest of the week. Being led by the Spirit is, moment by moment. I surrendered my will and agenda to Him and gave Him my entire life. If you are still living a sinful life, not huge sins but most everyone has some sort of vice and regularly do it. That's effectively turning your back to God, and I had planned to surrender this day, forgive me Lord.

I invited the Lord to ride with me wherever I went, Work, grocery store, wherever. I used to invite Him to go to work with me and talk to Him between Jobs. I think He got tired of having to wait in the truck at the customers house, until one time I had problems with some guys furnace and he needed heat! I...hit the wall and couldnt get the darn machine to act right, so I remembered Jesus is in the truck, and I invited right in! Lord help me, I cant figure this out! And then He was there. I could not see Him, but I felt Him. I was about to tell Him what I tested what I found and all that and He says, it'll be ok now...and it was! I still dont know what was wrong with it! But it works now, lol. I never missed inviting Him in with me after that and all my work got easier! Praise the Lord!

The Lord said in scripture to some He will say I never knew you, and that's not good. But I dont think I am unknown to Him anymore. More like, that kid of mine that never shuts up, lol.
 
So many miss it. Eternal life is not knowing doctrine. It is knowing God and Jesus. (John 17:3). He who has the Son has the life. Without that, no religious gymnastics will please God.

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You can't see what God sees.

Just leave obedient people to God. If we're doing something wrong, He's going to let us know.


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It makes God happy when we obey Him though. He's done so much for us why not do this for Him?





Why does this even bother you? It doesnt bother me. It's not like I'm going to lose sleep that you disapprove of me. You're not my God.


It's really wild. I don't understand why it's bad to make God happy when obedience 8s what He likes.

You're all trying to shame me with your disapproval, but it's really God’s approval that matters most. Peer pressure just doesn't work on me.

It makes God happy when we allow Him to work in our lives to conform us to His Christ-likeness. Obedience just happens to be apart of it.


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You shouldn't talk to people like that. When we are literally letting the Lord live through us to bless people...it doesn't work so good if you're frustrated and go popping off at people. I'm not trying to condemn you or put you down, I;m just sayimg thatthe Lord don't talk like that!

Have you ever asked the Lord, what you should write?
 
amen

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted the Book of the Law with "works of the law", and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of Moses in contrast with saying that "works of the law" are not of faith, so that phrase does not refer to the Law of God. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His law, it would be contradictory for someone to take the position that we should trust in God for salvation but not in His instructions, and the positions that God is a giver of untrustworthy instructions that are not of faith denies the trustworthiness and faithfulness of God.

We do need to obey the gospel , the truth .

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

Notice Paul said “who stopped you from obeying the truth ?” He’s talking about it a lot in that letter

“O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a difference in the works of the law ( ot ) and the truth ( nt) we need to obey the truth

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬
In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. In Psalms 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses the puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free.

We aren’t of the law we are born into god by the gospel .
In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses and not children of God, and in Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭
In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So grace and truth came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching us to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example.

obeying leads here

“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not obeying leads here

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Obeying

“and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not obeying

“but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, ( not obeying )

or of obedience unto righteousness?”( obey )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭

Not Moses law but the gospel of Jesus Christ and his word
God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit and the Law of Moses is God's instructions for how to embody His character traits, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Son is God's Word made flesh and the Law of Moses is God's Word (Deuteronomy 5:31-33). The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through His works by setting a sinless example for us to follow that can equivalently be described either as walking in the Spirit or as walking in obedience to the Law of Moses.
 
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You can't see what God sees.

Just leave obedient people to God. If we're doing something wrong, He's going to let us know.


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The sub-conscious is a tricky thing. Some small sins that isnt very bad isnt going to be talked about to the Lord very much. Maybe something from long ago, bitterness or something? The sub-conscious like to dismiss and not think about or talk about some things and at one time I was hiding a couple things way deep down inside. I prayed for the Holy Spirit to expose my hidden things so that I can correct them and confess them to Him, and that brought those things to mind. It didnt get exposed right away, took a bit of time to come to mind. But it worked, He let me know, just like you said. But why did it take me so long to realize it?

Was that one of those, you have not because you ask not things? Maybe!
 
I am not fond of inviting Jesus to the grocery store with me, lol. When I ask the Lord, Lord should I buy this?, He always says No!

He said one day I should eat more real food.
 
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“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
In Romans 7-8:2, Paul said that the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and which the Law of the Spirit has freed us from. In Romans 8:3-7, Jesus freed us from the law of sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirements of the Law of God and Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God (Romans 7:22), so verses that refer to something that would be absurd for Paul to delight in doing should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God while verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin.

For example, in Romans 6:14, Paul describe the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over him and it would be absurd for Paul to delight in sin having dominion over him, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under the Law of God but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16, Paul contrasted these two directions by saying that we are slaves to the one that we obey, either the law of sin, which leads to death, or obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Law of God is His gift of eternal life in Christ.

In regard to Romans 7:1-6, if you are not careful, then you can interpret as saying that we need to die to God's gift of eternal life. At no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of Moses, and if she were to get married to a second man after the death of her first husband, then she would still be required to refrain from committing adultery, so there is nothing that leads to the conclusion in Romans 7:4 that in the same way we have been set free from the Law of Moses. It would be absurd to interpret as saying that the way to become unified with God's Word made flesh is by dying to God's Word or by dying to what he taught us to embody, rather we need to die to a law that was hindering us from obeying the Law of God, namely the law of sin. Likewise, it would be absurd to interpret that as saying that the way to bear fruit for God is by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him. It would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. It would also be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive (Romans 7:23) and that the Law of the Spirit has free us from (Romans 8:1-2).
 
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Why can't we have faith and works.

Can we have faith in the blood of Jesus and delight in obeying the law because you love Him.

People are saying we can't have both.

But I obey because I love Jesus. Because Jesus gave all to save me I want to give all and follow the moral law of love.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The only works we need are those that demonstrate our faith, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Works of the law are irrelevant because they add nothing to our relationship with God that has been established by faith. They add nothing to our lives that is not available by faith. Having begun in the Spirit, we are not to continue in the flesh.

It a trap of the devil to think that we have to have faith or works. ONE OR THE OTHER.
That's a very tired straw man argument.

Works are good and we should have works but FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

THE RIGHT MOTIVATION
But the right motivation is not growing in our relationship with God, or maintaining our relationship with God, and works of the law have no place in the relationship that is by faith.

When you confuse works of the law with works resulting from faith, you corrupt the faith and fall from grace.
 
Really? You don't know? We have to walk closely with the Lord to let us know about our ptogress and what God feels needs work.

I thought everyone had a close walk with God....


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I've often heard it said, the closer we come to God the more we see our imperfections, the more unhappy we are about them. In my view, continued of statements of, it is easy to obey God's laws/not commit sin does not reflect maturity in the faith, to say the least
 
I've often heard it said, the closer we come to God the more we see our imperfections, the more unhappy we are about them. In my view, your continued of statements of, it is easy to obey God's laws/not commit sin does not reflect maturity in the faith
Please address my position instead of trying to assign me one.
As I addressed your question would you like to address mine now?
Sin is the transgression of the law
Through the law we become conscious of sin
You believe the Mosaic law is written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers
Would you agree, what is in your mind you in your mind must know?
The law in your heart must bring heartfelt consciousness of sin if you fail to follow it?
Therefore, if you are correct, no one could be in a saved state unless they had heartfelt consciousness of sin at failing to follow all possible Mosaic law?
 
So many miss it. Eternal life is not knowing doctrine. It is knowing God and Jesus. (John 17:3). He who has the Son has the life. Without that, no religious gymnastics will please God.
In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teaching us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).

No one says specifically that they place the law of God above God Himself. Jesus said that people speak from the abundance of the heart. And what are some people always talking about? How wonderful the grace of God is? How wonderful it is to have our sins forgiven? How good it is to be a new creation in Christ? How wonderful it is to be born again? No. They talk about how the believer must never sin, must obey the law and argue against the Word that contradicts them. That is putting the Law above God Himself.
I speak about how wonderful God's grace is all of the time. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to be doers of those works in obedience to the Law of Moses is part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20).

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God gracious teaching us to be a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of Moses is nevertheless a central part of His gift of salvation.

In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not born again.

The Law of Moses is God's Word (Deuteronomy 5:31-33) and Jesus is God's Word made flesh, so he set a perfect example for us to follow how to embody it.

It's not clear to me why you are acting as if supporting obedience to the Law of Moses is not in accordance with speaking about these things.
 
As I addressed your question would you like to address mine now?
I've not seen you interact with the argument that I repeated in post #91 to explain why it is wrong.

Sin is the transgression of the law
Through the law we become conscious of sin
You believe the Mosaic law is written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers
Would you agree, what is in your mind you in your mind must know?
The law in your heart must bring heartfelt consciousness of sin if you fail to follow it?
Therefore, if you are correct, no one could be in a saved state unless they had heartfelt consciousness of sin at failing to follow all possible Mosaic law?

Again, that is not my argument.
 
I've not seen you interact with the argument that I repeated in post #91 to explain why it is wrong.



Again, that is not my argument.
I didnt say it was, I was simply asking you if you agreed with what I wrote
 
In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted the Book of the Law with "works of the law", and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of Moses in contrast with saying that "works of the law" are not of faith, so that phrase does not refer to the Law of God. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His law, it would be contradictory for someone to take the position that we should trust in God for salvation but not in His instructions, and the positions that God is a giver of untrustworthy instructions that are not of faith denies the trustworthiness and faithfulness of God.


In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. In Psalms 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses the puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free.


In 1 John 3:4-10, those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses and not children of God, and in Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.


In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. Christ also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So grace and truth came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching us to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example.


God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit and the Law of Moses is God's instructions for how to embody His character traits, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Son is God's Word made flesh and the Law of Moses is God's Word (Deuteronomy 5:31-33). The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through His works by setting a sinless example for us to follow that can equivalently be described either as walking in the Spirit or as walking in obedience to the Law of Moses.

“in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted the Book of the Law with "works of the law",”

hes not contrasting the book of the law with its works in Galatians 3 at all . he’s explaining the law and the curse written in it and showing faiths superiority over it again just have to read it

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( until Jesus came ) and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.( the law ) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7, 10-12, 19-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of Moses”

lol what ?

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you read this as saying “ our faith upholds the law of Moses ?” 🤔 I think that’s what happens when we are kissing information like this for instance addressing your idea about Moses law

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

( I encourage you to read the entire discussion but thier conclusion is clear )

forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-6, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course some find it hard to accept what the apostles taught but I mean if someone wants to be on this group it’s …… a chcoice lots of them seem to really want to make

“knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, ( thou shall not kill , honor thy mother and father) for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, ( thou shall not lie ) for perjured persons, ( thou shalt bear false witness ) and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Repetetively

“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:12‬ ‭

We have to obey Christ and the gospel not Moses and Israel’s law for thier land two different covenants gotta leave the old behind or will never see the new … it’s like a blindfold

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again can’t obey Moses and also Jesus

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:( moses wrote this )


but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t live eye for an eye retaliating equally and also turn the other cheek and not retaliate in kind when someone offends us . They are opposite directives because they are different covenants and two different mediators two different preisthoods ect ect