That is, the sin in us is 'neutralized,' if you will, by the grace of God in observance to the blood of the Lamb.
But I'll leave it there at the risk of wasting any effort for lack of either, interest or understanding as to my point.
Faith or Law?
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But I'll leave it there at the risk of wasting any effort for lack of either, interest or understanding as to my point.
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James456
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Yes, the commandments got written on our hearts, and:I heard you.
And I said that God gave us His Holy Spirit so we can obey Him. Plus He wrote His commands or laws on our hearts.
He adtually made it possible and easy for us to obey Him when Jesus died for us!
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
You need both parts, not one!
And you do not have the second part if you believe you must obey the law to remain justified before God
You will concentrate on what you believe your eternity hinges on. If you believe it hinges on obeying the law, and you have the conviction in your heart and mind of what that entails you are in trouble
Paul's message is hard to understand, impossible without the Holy Spirits guidance
If you know sin cannot condemn you sin will not be your master
The Holy Spirit cannot help you if you ignore the second part of the covenant
The Bible actually does say it.
Galatians 5:16 "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."
To all reading this: Please submit to the Holy Spirit. You'll be pleasantly surprised how powerful He is to help you obey God and resist sin which pleases Him.
No one ever forgets the Savior part of Jesus Christ. That's why I dont have to remind anyone about that.
But Jesus must also be your Lord. And a lot people want to ignore that part of Him.
Jesus can't be your Savior without Him being your Lord.
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James456
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Ah, but do not just quote one verse, if we want to understand what Paul means:The Bible actually does say it.
Galatians 5:16 "I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh."
To all reading this: Please submit to the Holy Spirit. You'll be pleasantly surprised how powerful He is to help you obey God and resist sin which pleases Him.
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:6
You cannot walk in the Spirit and the law, it is one or the other. That ties in nicely with Rom 6:14)
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James456
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But if you believe the law can condemn you, how do you have a saviour?No one ever forgets the Savior part of Jesus Christ. That's why I dont have to remind anyone about that.
But Jesus must also be your Lord. And a lot people want to ignore that part of Him.
Jesus can't be your Savior without Him being your Lord.
Your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Needed so the power of sin is not in your life!
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James456
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Different now:
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
The New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it, not so that we will have justification for refusing to obey it.
So even you adnit we are to serve God through His Holy Spirit. What do you think is His job in us? To remind and cause us to obey what He wrote in our hearts.
Why would God write His commands in our hearts and then tell us we'll go to hell for subnitting to the Holy Spirit abd obeying Him in His power?
You know Hes not going to do that. Obedience to Him pleases Him. And that's how I see obeying Him. Looking at it that way doesn't make obeying God burdensome. It's putting Him first.
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James456
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Well as you agree sin is the transgression of the law and through the law we become conscious of sin, that would mean unless we have heartfelt consciousness of sin at failing to obey the mosaic law we could not be in a saved state
But you only follow it through reading law written in ink, that is not where the law now is for the believer(2Cor3:3)
It was under the old covenant, some of us prefer the new one
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James456
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Where did I say we would go to hell for submitting to the Holy Spirit?So even you adnit we are to serve God through His Holy Spirit. What do you think is His job in us? To remind and cause us to obey what He wrote in our hearts.
Why would God write His commands in our hearts and then tell us we'll go to hell for subnitting to the Holy Spirit abd obeying Him in His power?
You know Hes not going to do that. Obedience to Him pleases Him. And that's how I see obeying Him. Looking at it that way doesn't make obeying God burdensome. Its putt8ng Him first.
Hope you have more respect for the ten commandments than to bear false witness
We are released form the law and follow after the Spirit, not both
amen
“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:10-12 KJV
We do need to obey the gospel , the truth .
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37
Notice Paul said “who stopped you from obeying the truth ?” He’s talking about it a lot in that letter
“O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?”
Galatians 3:1 KJV
“Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?”
Galatians 5:7 KJV
there’s a difference in the works of the law ( ot ) and the truth ( nt) we need to obey the truth
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
We aren’t of the law we are born into god by the gospel .
“For the law was given by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17
obeying leads here
“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
1 Peter 1:22-23 KJV
Not obeying leads here
“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
Obeying
“and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
Hebrews 5:9 KJV
Not obeying
“but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;”
Romans 2:8-9
“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death, ( not obeying )
or of obedience unto righteousness?”( obey )
Romans 6:16
Not Moses law but the gospel of Jesus Christ and his word
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
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James456
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And Paul gave an example of one of the ten commandments concerning the above
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James456
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Right he shows how not was useful to bring people to the knowledge of sin and need for Christ and the gospel !
“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.”
Romans 7:7-8 KJV
That’s the use of the law
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
Keeping the law doesn’t make a sinful human , holy bit rather breaking the law proves every human a sinner and reveals tier need for an atonement lest they perish Gods word of life and promise and blessing is in the gospel it’s everything there is for all humanity the gospel
Why can't we have faith and works.
Can we have faith in the blood of Jesus and delight in obeying the law because you love Him.
People are saying we can't have both.
But I obey because I love Jesus. Because Jesus gave all to save me I want to give all and follow the moral law of love.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
It a trap of the devil to think that we have to have faith or works. ONE OR THE OTHER.
Works are good and we should have works but FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
THE RIGHT MOTIVATION
If we submit to the Holy Spirit, what would He remind us of and cause us to obey? His commands.
You say we are to follow the Holy Spirit. So what is He doing that we should follow? He's not going to go against God the Father or Lord Jesus. And He's not going to sin or give in to temptation.
No, He would want us to resist sin and overcome temptaion. And He can help us to do just that.
So really think about what it means to follow the Holy Spirit. It is to obey God and resist sin in His power.
We can follow Jesus for different reasons and we can do kind deeds for the wrong reasons and we can obey the law of Love for the wrong reasons.
Paul was talking to people that were being beguiled by doctrines of men.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
It was wrong the way the Jews tried to enforce tradition and LAWS that were not needed.
But the devil has taken these verses and twisted them to the extreme. People are now saying all law keeping is against faith. The royal law is not against faith.
Faith without works is dead.
The law is love and faith in Jesus will result in obedience to the moral loving law.
The bible does not contradict itself.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Paul was talking to people that were being beguiled by doctrines of men.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
It was wrong the way the Jews tried to enforce tradition and LAWS that were not needed.
But the devil has taken these verses and twisted them to the extreme. People are now saying all law keeping is against faith. The royal law is not against faith.
Faith without works is dead.
The law is love and faith in Jesus will result in obedience to the moral loving law.
The bible does not contradict itself.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.