Concerning the gift of tongues

[ocean]

My post 165 in which I clearly deny having 'power' as lamar states I did and yet he continues to make statements that satisfy his own nonsense and have nothing to do with my actual words. So I'm done bothering to try and discuss with him. He is obviously not interested in having an honest discussion.

I suppose he will come back and say he has 'conquered' tongues because I don't respond but the actual reason is for his own behavior and sad way of communicating.

Oh I see. You are confused and seem to think I claimed supernatural power because I testify of having the gift of tongues (along with quite a few others here but for some reason (no worries I get it) you decide to attack because I speak the truth)

I don't have supernatural power. The Holy Spirit is the One with power and He does use people to speak through both with tongues, with interpretation and or whatever language someone needs to hear it in. I have never said where or when I might practice this gift though.

I have never stated I control anything. It is obvious you have had more than one conversation with those who attest to speaking in tongues and just jump claim that I am fair game.

What do you think of the gift of teaching? or prophecy? or the ability to have a word of wisdom? or a word of knowledge? or any of the other gifts? Do you hate them all or just tongues in particular?

 

[TrustandObey]

My post 165 in which I clearly deny having 'power' as lamar states I did and yet he continues to make statements that satisfy his own nonsense and have nothing to do with my actual words. So I'm done bothering to try and discuss with him. He is obviously not interested in having an honest discussion.

I suppose he will come back and say he has 'conquered' tongues because I don't respond but the actual reason is for his own behavior and sad way of communicating.

These are your words: " I was 19 when I asked God for the gift of speaking in tongues (which I received immediately)"
Then you refer to this gift as "power" which it certainly is.
These are your words: "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8 The power is for the glory of God and to witness"

Speaking in tongues is described in Acts as power and this power is subject to the person who it has been given to. (1st Cor, 14:32)

Stop the deceit and clearly state if you have the power/gift/capacity/talent/ability or whatever slick word you can come up with and admit that you perform or control this physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

Presenting scriptures that reveal the existence of tongues in the 1st Century does not prove that you or any other person is actually in possession of these God given powers.

So again do you posses and control the God given power of Biblical tongues? Yes or No?

 

[DJT_47]

When I was younger I spoke in tongues a few times & interpreted a few times, but now that I'm older it's mostly prophesying. The feeling within though is the same...i feel the intensity of the Spirit come upon me & I have to respond.

What was said when you "spoke in tongues", and what was the tongue in which you spoke? And what was prophesied by you in specific terms?

 

[TrustandObey]

What was said when you "spoke in tongues", and what was the tongue in which you spoke? And what was prophesied by you in specific terms?

I am sure he remembers it all. It's not everyday that a person hears from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[ocean]

These are your words: " I was 19 when I asked God for the gift of speaking in tongues (which I received immediately)"
Then you refer to this gift as "power" which it certainly is.
These are your words: "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8 The power is for the glory of God and to witness"

Speaking in tongues is described in Acts as power and this power is subject to the person who it has been given to. (1st Cor, 14:32)

Stop the deceit and clearly state if you have the power/gift/capacity/talent/ability or whatever slick word you can come up with and admit that you perform or control this physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

Presenting scriptures that reveal the existence of tongues in the 1st Century does not prove that you or any other person is actually in possession of these God given powers.

So again do you posses and control the God given power of Biblical tongues? Yes or No?

Actually Jesus said power would be given by the Holy Spirit. BUT what kind of power? Power to witness for Him.

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8

What kind of power do you think is being received here? I don't think you understand the scripture regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
I don't know what you think happens when a person receives a spiritual gift. You think it is all about tongues but it is actually as Jesus said. Tongues are for the church and for the individual.

Again, I don't have 'the' power. If people received power to witness for Christ through receiving the Holy Spirit, then, if you were not so angry in your desire to 'prove' what you cannot prove (that this is or any other gift has ceased) you would maybe understand that fact in the first place.

As salvation is still ongoing, so are the gifts and you cannot prove they do not continue anymore than the atheist can prove God does not exist. Now for the atheist God does not exist and for you, tongues do not exist. Frankly, I see no difference. One says their word is the one that counts and you are doing the same.

You do not understand the context of the word 'power'. As another indication of your ongoing battle against the invisible, you state I said I could stop and start at will. I never said that. You, like your buddy, have obviously had arguments with other people who speak in tongues and you have built up an obsession with arguing with people who believe scripture and have experienced certain spiritual gifts just as they believed God for salvation through His Son.

 

[ocean]

These are your words: "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8 The power is for the glory of God and to witness"

No I did not write that scripture. They are not my words; they are the words of Christ. But again, the power is to witness for Him and spread the gospel. There is no self contained power as you seem to think and I made no claim to have any power to do anything.

Stop the deceit and clearly state if you have the power/gift/capacity/talent/ability or whatever slick word you can come up with and admit that you perform or control this physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

You twist what I have said and make a case for things I did not say. Sounds more like the deception is your own.

Clearly, you have nothing to offer other than words with no substance. Relax. You are not going to prove tongues do not exist and for those of us who do have that gift, we can do nothing but point you to scripture which you do not seem to quite understand. Take it up with the Person who said power would be received after the Holy Spirit came upon believers but try to understand what it was for.

There are many charlatans parading around and abusing the gifts or saying they have gifts they do not have. There are people who believe they are saved but live like they are not. Those things are not an indication of truth so to point at them and try to make a case that tongues have stopped, is like killing Jesus (although He gave up His life) and thinking the problem is solved. It was actually going to just begin.

 

[PaulThomson]

Do you think that people start speaking in tongues because of peer pressure? They see others doing it and they come across as more spiritual, so as to not feel inferior they learn to speak in tongues also?

Many people project their own secret hidden and denied motivations onto those they perceive as threats. Those whose only argument is to accuse others of operating out of peer pressure, are often themselves motivated by peer pressure, but are unwilling to admit it..

 

[PaulThomson]

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the idea with regards to speaking in tongues?!

In other words, why does anyone want to speak in tongues, in the first place?!

What's wrong with speaking in plain English?

1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

The Holy Spirit helps the man speak to God and helps God speak to and through the man. This is God's word moving through the man Spirit to spirit, and God's word does not return void. God is speaking mysteries to and through the man that the man is receiving by faith. In time those words, which are spiritual seeds, in a sense invisible underground, will break through and become visible, becoming new understanding, as a plant breaks through and becomes visible; and if nurtured that new understanding will bear spiritual fruit.

 

[TMS]

Do you think that people start speaking in tongues because of peer pressure? They see others doing it and they come across as more spiritual, so as to not feel inferior they learn to speak in tongues also?

People may do it because of peer pressure or to fit in. But it is not a good practice, people claim to be talking to God but they don't know what they are saying.

The demons 😈 can speak through us too.
How do you know it isn't a devil speaking through you? If you can't understand what is being said and no one else can then how do you know if it is edifying God or Satan???
1 cor 14 speaking about tougnes .....
1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Babbling words that can not be understood is not orderly.

 

[TMS]

The gift of tougnes in the bible was always in relation to speaking and understanding another language...

If I travel to another place to preach the word of God and people understand my language in their own tougne (language), this is the gift of tougnes. The Holy Spirit gives understanding.

It has a purpose and is done to edify God's truth

Babbling words that no one understands is not the gift of tougnes but useless sounds that do nothing for God's purpose.

God can speak to us in any language and understands any language.

God is deeper then words. He talks directly to our hearts. And reads our minds.

 

[Mem]

The heart is the issue, which is at the core of all other issues, and this is that which Jesus has ultimately been appointed judge. He will divide the performers, actors, and hypocrites, i.e "I'm not a doctor but I play one on tv," from the authentic.

 

[Taylorj2]

The gift of tougnes in the bible was always in relation to speaking and understanding another language...

If I travel to another place to preach the word of God and people understand my language in their own tougne (language), this is the gift of tougnes. The Holy Spirit gives understanding.

It has a purpose and is done to edify God's truth

Babbling words that no one understands is not the gift of tougnes but useless sounds that do nothing for God's purpose.

God can speak to us in any language and understands any language.

God is deeper then words. He talks directly to our hearts. And reads our minds.

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you. If we look in the Bible, the only time that language is mentioned in correlation with language is in Acts 2. There are several other points in the book of Acts where it never says nor does it attest that someone heard the tongue in their own language.

 

[JimiSurvivor]

hmmm...did I say that? not exactly, right? it's basically cessationists that say that particular gift is no more. I am somewhat curious why you would say you are still 'learning' about the gift when the Bible is plain on it. From this thread, I can safely say that those who
do speak in tongues (and that itself is somewhat of a misnomer) will direct you correctly. It is the Holy Spirit through whom the gifts come.




This, is not a correct understanding. ALL spiritual gifts are for the body of Christ and NOT for an individual to experience 'power'. The word edification is used about 20 times in the Bible but only in the NT. The gifts have a practical purpose and the incorrect way these
gifts are and have been used by so many, is NOT what they were/are for.

If you are looking for some experience or some kind of power, well, I would check those motives at the door. Tongues are not an experience, although one may experience them, and they are not for a person to 'have power'. I'm actually sitting here kind of shaking
my head about the whole thing, because .... well, seek Jesus, not gifts. I have certain gifts, including tongues, but with all the experience I have had in my life I would not hesitate to tell someone that unless they have a walk with Christ, unless they are solid in Him, unless they understand and do have at least some discernment, I don't recommend tongues. Get some proper understanding and not just a kind of thrill seeking and then proceed. I do not mean that last sentence in any way personal to you.

 

[Taylorj2]

While I do agree with the majority of your statement, you did say one thing that I disagree with and that is, "Seek Jesus, not gifts." 1 Corinthians 14:1 instructs us different. It tells us to earnestly desire Spiritual gifts, especially that one may prophesy. The word for desire is the Greek word Zeloo and it means to strive and exert oneself earnestly. In regards to spiritual gifts, collectively as a church and as a single individual, we should always seek to obtain spiritual gifts.

 

[ocean]

While I do agree with the majority of your statement, you did say one thing that I disagree with and that is, "Seek Jesus, not gifts." 1 Corinthians 14:1 instructs us different. It tells us to earnestly desire Spiritual gifts, especially that one may prophesy. The word for desire is the Greek word Zeloo and it means to strive and exert oneself earnestly. In regards to spiritual gifts, collectively as a church and as a single individual, we should always seek to obtain spiritual gifts.

seems you might be quoting me. that's a snap judgement on your part and I realize you just joined and wish to discuss your beliefs. Far too many individuals seek gifts without understanding the implications. Look back at my other posts and you will see I posted the scripture about seeking gifts. You jumped into a very contentious thread so maybe have a read through or skim before you look for someone to disagree with.

We should only seek spiritual gifts when grounded in scripture . So yeah, seek Jesus and then what He gives.

ps: please quote when you reply to someone so we know who you are talking to. Thanks

 

[ocean]

People may do it because of peer pressure or to fit in. But it is not a good practice, people claim to be talking to God but they don't know what they are saying.

The demons 😈 can speak through us too.
How do you know it isn't a devil speaking through you? If you can't understand what is being said and no one else can then how do you know if it is edifying God or Satan???
1 cor 14 speaking about tougnes .....
1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

Babbling words that can not be understood is not orderly.

You know it almost sounds like you believe demons speak in tongues through people but not God. What is your point in quoting a couple of verses out of context in order to make a point that is not in scripture but does seem to be quite popular among certain denominations. (rhetorical question; we all know the answer)

Babbling words that no one understands is not the gift of tougnes but useless sounds that do nothing for God's purpose.

For the one speaking in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God. For no one hears, but in the Spirit he utters mysteries. I Cor.14:2
Well, you must be wrong then.

A better definition for the word 'babble' would be people giving an opinion on things they really have no knowledge of.

 

[Taylorj2]

seems you might be quoting me. that's a snap judgement on your part and I realize you just joined and wish to discuss your beliefs. Far too many individuals seek gifts without understanding the implications. Look back at my other posts and you will see I posted the scripture about seeking gifts. You jumped into a very contentious thread so maybe have a read through or skim before you look for someone to disagree with.

We should only seek spiritual gifts when grounded in scripture . So yeah, seek Jesus and then what He gives.

ps: please quote when you reply to someone so we know who you are talking to. Thanks

Fair, thanks for the advice of skimming through. Just trying to add dialogue, but I agree, I should have read more posts before commenting.

 

[CS1]

Speaking without interpretation, selfishly is also associated with 1 co 14.. having tongues that have a clear sound, understandable, that edifies others.

The teaching of this kind of tongues is based on the fact the pagan kind were infecting them.

Read 1 Corinthians 14, then look at your comment.

 

[CS1]

The truth is, cessationists are wrong. They have not one verse in the entire Bible that States :

• Gifts of the Holy, like Tongues, are not for today
• Gifts of the Holy Spirit, of tongues, had stopped by the time the bible was completed

Those who use verses from here or there to support or disprove the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not correctly interpreting the Bible. 1cor chapters 12 through 14 are unit chapters and must be seen in their full context.

FYI, Chapter and verse was not how Paul wrote the letters that were added. Was that done because Paul's letters were not Perfect or fully complete? Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!

 

[TrustandObey]

The truth is, cessationists are wrong. They have not one verse in the entire Bible that States :

• Gifts of the Holy, like Tongues, are not for today
• Gifts of the Holy Spirit, of tongues, had stopped by the time the bible was completed

Those who use verses from here or there to support or disprove the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not correctly interpreting the Bible. 1cor chapters 12 through 14 are unit chapters and must be seen in their full context.

FYI, Chapter and verse was not how Paul wrote the letters that were added. Was that done because Paul's letters were not Perfect or fully complete? Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!

The rejection of the Pentecostal movement is not a doctrine but an observation.

Just as we reject the claims of Bigfoot-like people roaming the woods, so do we also reject the claims of Pentecostals.

I do not believe in Bigfoot not because of a systemic search of every inch of forest or every claim of a sighting. But the obvious lack of evidence that should be clearly evident is proof enough.

CS1, do you believe in Bigfoot? If not, why not?

I am not swallowing a camel because there is no Pentecostal camel to swallow.

Just claims of a camel.

If the claims of Pentecostalism were true we would all be Pentecostals.