Concerning the gift of tongues
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1 Corinthians 14:39: "Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues
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I think you may be referring to a specific Pentecostal organization.
I have been to more than a few Pentecostal churches and tongues are not a sign of a baptism
in the Holy Spirit. According to the N.T. the gifts are distributed through the members of the church.
Not everyone speaks in tongues nor is everyone a prophet.
There is a far more important point to note in this debate.
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
Who said that you must be a Pentecostal to experience the power of the Holy Spirit?
I have been to more than a few Pentecostal churches and tongues are not a sign of a baptism
in the Holy Spirit. According to the N.T. the gifts are distributed through the members of the church.
Not everyone speaks in tongues nor is everyone a prophet.
There is a far more important point to note in this debate.
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
Who said that you must be a Pentecostal to experience the power of the Holy Spirit?
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The problem is that the Bible is unclear regarding the problematic aspects of pentecostalism.
IOW, the pentecostalists do not have one verse in the entire Bible that states :
condemning them in the next and then in the rest of the chapter condoning them if interpreted. Hence the confusion,
but at least it is clear that tongues are NOT required for salvation NOR the sign of being filled with the Spirit, which is love.
(I note that Inquisitor seems to agree with this view :^)
IOW, the pentecostalists do not have one verse in the entire Bible that states :
- The gift of tongues is for today
- The gift of tongues did not stop by the time the bible was completed
condemning them in the next and then in the rest of the chapter condoning them if interpreted. Hence the confusion,
but at least it is clear that tongues are NOT required for salvation NOR the sign of being filled with the Spirit, which is love.
(I note that Inquisitor seems to agree with this view :^)
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Im just wondering if maybe the baptism of the spirit is not what we have been lead to believe think of how it was in pentecost and think of how Jesus breathed the holy spirit into the apostles they already had the spirit but on pentecost and from then on they were much different full of the spirit and power even to the point where peters shadow was able to heal
so if they had the spirit already but were different when pentecost came then maybe having the spirit and being baptized in it are not the same thing
so if they had the spirit already but were different when pentecost came then maybe having the spirit and being baptized in it are not the same thing
Maby then they change their teaching, because the teaching is false.
Which started with Azusa Street and Agnes Ozman. The beginning of the Pentecostal movement. All pentecostal churches have their beginning there.
Btw later then the charismatic movement startet. So only pentecostals ore charismatics teach and practice this.
Today you find this teaching in almost all denominations, because this charismatic teaching attracts many believers who searching wonders and special feelings in their life. In my church this is taught in secret. Not on the pulpit. They do not practice it, but they have many contacts to pentecostal and charismatic churches where it is practised. Its strange, they defend this teaching, but not practice it.
Which started with Azusa Street and Agnes Ozman. The beginning of the Pentecostal movement. All pentecostal churches have their beginning there.
Btw later then the charismatic movement startet. So only pentecostals ore charismatics teach and practice this.
Today you find this teaching in almost all denominations, because this charismatic teaching attracts many believers who searching wonders and special feelings in their life. In my church this is taught in secret. Not on the pulpit. They do not practice it, but they have many contacts to pentecostal and charismatic churches where it is practised. Its strange, they defend this teaching, but not practice it.