Concerning the gift of tongues
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Are you acquainted with any Native American dialects? I have only heard such languages and their sound is very distinct.
that sounds amazing and there was an interpreter to hear it so it lines up as well
This is a open forum, if you are not aware.Well Lamar I was not addressing that to you, so no need to be defensive.There are (sadly) many churches that seem to ignore
the instructions given by Paul as to how a person should conduct themself when operating in this gift. But read the posts again. It is
a denial of this gift being spoken of by some. And again, that is their choice but the Bible is clear on the subject.
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You do not need to be addressing me individually for me to respond to a post.
Defensive? That is rather subjective so I will ignore the label.
I would strongly disagree with your assertion that "many churches" seem to ignore the boundaries set by Paul.
There are no churches today that are following the Biblical understanding of the physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit as described in the New Testament.
If you believe there are some churches that do please let us know.
If you do know of some please explain why you believe this. I am in need of this blessing.
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This is a open forum, if you are not aware.
You do not need to be addressing me individually for me to respond to a post.
Defensive? That is rather subjective so I will ignore the label.
I would strongly disagree with your assertion that "many churches" seem to ignore the boundaries set by Paul.
There are no churches today that are following the Biblical understanding of the physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit as described in the New Testament.
If you believe there are some churches that do please let us know.
If you do know of some please explain why you believe this. I am in need of this blessing.
Yes this is an open forum but you seemed to take particular objection to my post addressed to someone else and you seem to continue
along the same lines.
Perhaps you should take a little more time when responding to a post. I never said anything about Paul giving out boundaries. I used the word 'instructions', which, is exactly what he is doing. We all have Bibles and can find all sorts of commentaries, lexicons and many different Bible translations online so each person can seek God, believe He hears and will answer.
I'm not worried or bothered in the least if you or anyone else anywhere disagrees with me. The Bible is plain in its instructions through Paul and if you actually want to use the word boundaries, even though I did not, I would suggest that you are the one who is free to set up your own boundaries as to what you believe or want to participate in and that goes for each and every one.
If you do require a blessing, I suggest you seek God for it. That is what I would do.
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I have read the posts written in response to your OP. I would say about half or almost half, are not even certain of what scripture has to say about this gift, but have many objections because of the false. Frankly, what I find more alarming than the obviously 'out there' manifestations exhibited by some, are the false prophets, prophecy and those who respond to it without any discernment or the ability or the nerve to call it out.
the reason to speak in tongues is for the empowerment of the ones hearing it there is actual power in it when you speak in tongues like supernatural power and is often used to either worship and praise God or testify to unbelievers
well I am still learning about the gift myself so any responses that are not according to scripture may have gone over my head which ones do you mean exactly?
As a Native American Indian I have heard the some of the languages being spoken before. I have been around Indians. Not too much tho.
But the Holy Spirit will not always use the same language I find.
The Holy Spirit gave the gift of tongues in Acts 2 so that the disciples could speak in the hearers' languages. He gave tongues in Acts 10 to confirm that the Gentiles had received the Holy Spirit. He continues to give tongues for several reasons, including edification of the Church and the individual believer.
There is no glory in speaking in your native language but claim to be speaking in a supernaturally powered tongue...whoa!!!
This is simply all there is to this nonsense.
Deep down they all know this.
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hmmm...did I say that? not exactly, right? it's basically cessationists that say that particular gift is no more. I am somewhat curious why you would say you are still 'learning' about the gift when the Bible is plain on it. From this thread, I can safely say that those who
do speak in tongues (and that itself is somewhat of a misnomer) will direct you correctly. It is the Holy Spirit through whom the gifts come.
This, is not a correct understanding. ALL spiritual gifts are for the body of Christ and NOT for an individual to experience 'power'. The word edification is used about 20 times in the Bible but only in the NT. The gifts have a practical purpose and the incorrect way these
gifts are and have been used by so many, is NOT what they were/are for.
If you are looking for some experience or some kind of power, well, I would check those motives at the door. Tongues are not an experience, although one may experience them, and they are not for a person to 'have power'. I'm actually sitting here kind of shaking
my head about the whole thing, because .... well, seek Jesus, not gifts. I have certain gifts, including tongues, but with all the experience I have had in my life I would not hesitate to tell someone that unless they have a walk with Christ, unless they are solid in Him, unless they understand and do have at least some discernment, I don't recommend tongues. Get some proper understanding and not just a kind of thrill seeking and then proceed. I do not mean that last sentence in any way personal to you.
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I would state what I know about a person who would scribble such a response, but if I leave this forum, I prefer to do so on my own recognizance, rather than be shown the door.
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Read the Bible. It will explain why tongues are given as well as the more than one ability that gift serves. You might also remember that the Bible is not originally written in English which really has nothing to do with tongues, but English is actually one of the least expressive languages in the world.
Tongues are not and never were a substitute for a person's relationship with their Savior. But they are definitely a part of it for those who believe and understand it is God Himself who has provided them.
Speaking in Tongues Medical Study proves Holy Spirit praying
Univ of Penn. study examines people who speak in tongues with MRI which proves the speech center is not working.www.keithbarr.com. If you want to know more about speaking in tongues look at my video about speaking in tongues. After several years and over 3,000 comments many of these questions have been answered over and over again in these post. Therefore some of your comments man not be posted. Particularly offensive and remarks with profanity will probably not be posted. For other articles of scientific study on prayer view these links, Univ of Indiana study that prayer works
Univ of Penn. study examines people who speak in tongues with MRI which proves the speech center is not working.www.keithbarr.com. If you want to know more about speaking in tongues look at my video about speaking in tongues. After several years and over 3,000 comments many of these questions have been answered over and over again in these post. Therefore some of your comments man not be posted. Particularly offensive and remarks with profanity will probably not be posted. For other articles of scientific study on prayer view these links, Univ of Indiana study that prayer works
well the scriptures are clear about what the gifts is for but there seems to be many different interpretations of what it is for and plus I am studying the gift in general not just what it is for there seems to be more than one form of tongues as well such as worship or prayer or testifying you seem to have a good grasp on the gift as well as understanding what it is for me I am still learning. as far as experiencing power if one is seeking such an expereince and just want the gift for that experience they liekly won't get it because the gifts are given to us for the church not for experience that much I understand
Christ said you shall speak with new tongues. Now they already spoke Hebrew and Greek so what else did He mean? He said all those that believe will cast out demons speak with new tongues, take up snakes, drink any deadly thing, lay hands on the sick they shall recover.
Almost 50 years ago I never had anyone to tell me "that is not for today" "God does not do that any more". It was just some bible study that believed if God said it He will do it. There was no "its gift only for some not all. Some will speak in tongues others won't". That part is nowhere in Gods word. I was saved again didn't have anyone to tell me "no you don't have to ask for the holy Spirit you already got it".
Christ who only said what the Father said.. you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask. I can post what Jesus said which is really the great I am talking and people will still doubt argue and debate it. We fully understand doubt fear worry but not faith. We blindly believe John 3:16-17 but why not do the same for say Luke 11:13. For me there is more to speaking in tongues that at 64 I still have not shared with others.
I try to not lean on my own understanding. With God its always about faith. So for me who is tossing all these questions at me? Its GODS word right? Did man say it and write it and get it wrong or did GOD say it and its His words? So i think.. whats going to happen to me if I just maybe don't understand but believe and not doubt? Speaking in tongues oh its so beautiful and it always starts with me but at some point He takes over and I can't tell you the times .. I've cried when I don't know what to pray.... He does.
Then I can't tell you all the times......its like you forget to. The enemy always trying to make sure you never do. After praying in the spirit for a long time.. oh man you feel so rested and a boldness that was not there. Who do you think said "I wish you all spoke in tongues"? Paul or the holy Spirit? I like so many countless others are living examples that Acts is Christianity. And what He did there He still does not day. There are those that ask you for help to pray for they know you do not doubt.. they know you stand and will not be moved and God always keeps His word. So if your Father said it.. who cares what man says.. just believe
Almost 50 years ago I never had anyone to tell me "that is not for today" "God does not do that any more". It was just some bible study that believed if God said it He will do it. There was no "its gift only for some not all. Some will speak in tongues others won't". That part is nowhere in Gods word. I was saved again didn't have anyone to tell me "no you don't have to ask for the holy Spirit you already got it".
Christ who only said what the Father said.. you being evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask. I can post what Jesus said which is really the great I am talking and people will still doubt argue and debate it. We fully understand doubt fear worry but not faith. We blindly believe John 3:16-17 but why not do the same for say Luke 11:13. For me there is more to speaking in tongues that at 64 I still have not shared with others.
I try to not lean on my own understanding. With God its always about faith. So for me who is tossing all these questions at me? Its GODS word right? Did man say it and write it and get it wrong or did GOD say it and its His words? So i think.. whats going to happen to me if I just maybe don't understand but believe and not doubt? Speaking in tongues oh its so beautiful and it always starts with me but at some point He takes over and I can't tell you the times .. I've cried when I don't know what to pray.... He does.
Then I can't tell you all the times......its like you forget to. The enemy always trying to make sure you never do. After praying in the spirit for a long time.. oh man you feel so rested and a boldness that was not there. Who do you think said "I wish you all spoke in tongues"? Paul or the holy Spirit? I like so many countless others are living examples that Acts is Christianity. And what He did there He still does not day. There are those that ask you for help to pray for they know you do not doubt.. they know you stand and will not be moved and God always keeps His word. So if your Father said it.. who cares what man says.. just believe
From 1 Corinthians 12 verses 4-11 ~ There are different gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all people. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in various tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines.