Catholic believe pope is infallible

[FranC]

You forgot one,,,,,,,Jesus! A good day to you FranC

Yeah Bladerunner...But He left us to send the Holy Spirit.
And sometimes different people hear different instructions !

 

[FranC]

FranC...... there are no records in the Bible, local historical text or even archaeological data that Peter (Simon) ever visited Rome. There also are no records of Him dying in Rome or being buried in Rome... no remains have ever been found. Mark wrote Peter's work that was presented to Rome as if Peter had done it.. Paul wrote several of his epistles from Prison in Rome and had Peter had a Church in Rome or had he been a Bishop or had he even been in Rome, I am pretty sure Mark and Paul would have mentioned it somewhere... I mean they do tell us where He is at from time to time but those locations are not Rome.

Here is a simple quickly obtained article concerning this subject. If you need more I can supply them as well.
The Apostle Peter in Rome - Biblical Archaeology Society

Peter taught the Jews in the Babylon area the whole time..... He did make it to Jerusalem. While it is thought that Peter was crucified, there are no reliable records available. Additional biblical info: His father's name was Jonah.1 Peter himself was married,2. His place of origin was Beth-Saida, a largely Greek city,3 but he had made his home in Capernaum in Galilee.4

Now FranC as far as the Catholic Diocese is concerned, I have found through many hours of research, I believe they cannot be trusted. Their eschatology of Preteristism (at the very least..Replacement Theology) is not acceptable to me beliefs. Unfortunately, this type of eschatology has been and is continuing to be very aggressive against God's Word.

As far as the book "The Woman Rides the Beast" by David Hunt goes,,,,, You will just have to read it to understand. Warning: You will probably throw it through the window before you read it through.


Have a good evening.



(1).Matthew 16:17...(2).Mark 1:30 ...(3).John 1:44...(4).Mark 1:21ff.

Hi

I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.

It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa.

I've never read any books on this since it does not seem very important to me.

All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.

I'm looking at the NASB right now, but I could not find this introduction online.

It doesn't matter to me very much, but it does seem your author is not in the majority of theologians and acrcheologists, although I cannot prove this and so cannot debate it. (no time).

Here is something that I pulled up on Bing. It's pretty much what is said:


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Introduction to 1 Peter

Timeline

Timeline

Author, Date, and Recipients

The apostle Peter wrote this letter (1:1). He was once a fisherman but now was a disciple, a “witness of the sufferings of Christ” (5:1). He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign. The letter is addressed to Christians scattered in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (1:1). This is an area north of the Taurus Mountains in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). These territories had been impacted by Greco-Roman culture and had been under Roman control from the mid-first century B.C.

Theme

Those who persevere in faith while suffering persecution should be full of hope. They will certainly enjoy end-time salvation, since they already enjoy God’s saving promises through Christ’s death and resurrection.

Purpose

Peter is writing to encourage his readers to endure suffering and persecution (1:6–7; 2:18–20; 3:9, 13–17; 4:1–4, 12–19; 5:9) by giving themselves entirely to God (4:19). They are to remain faithful in times of distress, knowing that God will vindicate them and that they will certainly enjoy the salvation that the Lord has promised. Christ’s death and resurrection are the model for believers. Just as Christ suffered and then entered into glory, so too his followers will suffer before being exalted.

Key Themes

Those who suffer as Christians will be proven faithful when Christ returns (1:6–9; 2:18–25; 3:13–22; 4:12–19).
The church is the new temple, the new Israel, the new people of God (1:1–2; 2:4–10).
Believers should set their hope on their end-time inheritance (1:3–9, 13–16).
Christ died as a substitute for sinners. His death is the basis for their new life (1:17–21; 2:24; 3:13–22).
Christ’s suffering is an example to his disciples (2:21–23).
At his resurrection, Christ triumphed over his enemies (3:18–22).
Christians should live righteously in their homes and in society (2:11–3:7).
New life in Christ is the basis for a life of love and holiness (1:3; 1:13–2:3).
Outline

Opening (1:1–2)
Called to Salvation as Exiles (1:3–2:10)
Living as Strangers to Bring Glory to God in a Hostile World (2:11–4:11)
Enduring Suffering (4:12–5:11)
Concluding Words (5:12–14)
The Setting of 1 Peter

c. A.D. 62–63

Peter, probably writing from Rome (called “Babylon” in 5:13), addressed 1 Peter to believers in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. These names all referred to Roman provinces in Asia Minor, north of the Taurus Mountains.

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What you DID say that I find very interesting is your comment on eschatolog.

First of all, I don't know too much about eschatology --- I've never studied it.

However, I do know about preterism (very little !) and it seems you're saying that the Catholic Church believes in this?

If so, I've never heard of it, but I'd be able to ask someone there that would know. He taught Catholic theology (a Catholic Priest and theologian).

Please tell me more about this...
It does not sound right.
Catholics believe the world will come to an end at some point...
As we also believe.

 

[FranC]

Like Job they eschew evil. All pretty and white on the outside yet black as the pit inside.

Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your post proves my point.

Not only YOU but many Protestants hate a Church that is CHRISTIAN.
This does sadden me.

 

[FranC]

This from the girl who came to CC claiming to be protestant. Yeah right and the pope is not catholic by your standard.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Are you friendly with a certain poster here?
He also likes to call people liars.

You really shouldn't do this unless you're absolutely sure of what you're saying.
And even then you should be courteous and have second thoughts.

First of all, I don't know you and you don't know me.

Second of all, quite frankly, I don't care what you believe about me.

 

[notuptome]

Your post proves my point.

Not only YOU but many Protestants hate a Church that is CHRISTIAN.
This does sadden me.

You misjudge me. I hate only the false doctrine taught by rome. I hate to see people deluded into thinking that the church is doing something for them regarding eternal life that it cannot do for itself.

I have seen family members die trusting rome and discounting Jesus. They are not in paradise or purgatory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Are you friendly with a certain poster here?
He also likes to call people liars.

You really shouldn't do this unless you're absolutely sure of what you're saying.
And even then you should be courteous and have second thoughts.

First of all, I don't know you and you don't know me.

Second of all, quite frankly, I don't care what you believe about me.

Pretenders seldom care. My concern is that you might fall into that category. I always hope I am wrong on this account. Those that are religious are the hardest to pin down about their salvation.

No one can hide from the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[onlinebuddy]

Candles, rosaries, incense, repitition of prayers, prayers to Mary --- I'm good with.

Can Mary hear our prayers? Can the "saints" hear our prayers?


Talking about repetition of prayers, how would a father or mother feel if a child would repeat:
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"

Aren't incense and priestly garments Old Testament Jewish traditions? Weren't oil lamps, incense, temples, candlesticks, etc temporary symbols that were supposed to lead us to the Saviour?

 

[onlinebuddy]

Statues are not worshipped, but maybe they could start being weeded out --- I DO believe this is happening in the churches built now.

People put garlands around statues of Mary and saints. They light candles in front of the statues. The statues are decorated and carried around town in processions. Hymns of praise are sung to the personality that the statue represents. People stand in front of the statues and pray facing the statues. They kiss the feet of statues. Isn't this worship?

There is no such thing as idols, I'm not sure what you mean.

Isn't a statue an idol?

I still say we should not hate our Christian brethren.

Are you saying one Christian should not correct another Christian? Is correction equal to hatred?

 

[Jackson123]

Hi

I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.

It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa.

I've never read any books on this since it does not seem very important to me.

All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.

I'm looking at the NASB right now, but I could not find this introduction online.

It doesn't matter to me very much, but it does seem your author is not in the majority of theologians and acrcheologists, although I cannot prove this and so cannot debate it. (no time).

Here is something that I pulled up on Bing. It's pretty much what is said:


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Introduction to 1 Peter

Timeline

Timeline

Author, Date, and Recipients

The apostle Peter wrote this letter (1:1). He was once a fisherman but now was a disciple, a “witness of the sufferings of Christ” (5:1). He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign. The letter is addressed to Christians scattered in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (1:1). This is an area north of the Taurus Mountains in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). These territories had been impacted by Greco-Roman culture and had been under Roman control from the mid-first century B.C.

Theme

Those who persevere in faith while suffering persecution should be full of hope. They will certainly enjoy end-time salvation, since they already enjoy God’s saving promises through Christ’s death and resurrection.

Purpose

Peter is writing to encourage his readers to endure suffering and persecution (1:6–7; 2:18–20; 3:9, 13–17; 4:1–4, 12–19; 5:9) by giving themselves entirely to God (4:19). They are to remain faithful in times of distress, knowing that God will vindicate them and that they will certainly enjoy the salvation that the Lord has promised. Christ’s death and resurrection are the model for believers. Just as Christ suffered and then entered into glory, so too his followers will suffer before being exalted.

Key Themes

Those who suffer as Christians will be proven faithful when Christ returns (1:6–9; 2:18–25; 3:13–22; 4:12–19).
The church is the new temple, the new Israel, the new people of God (1:1–2; 2:4–10).
Believers should set their hope on their end-time inheritance (1:3–9, 13–16).
Christ died as a substitute for sinners. His death is the basis for their new life (1:17–21; 2:24; 3:13–22).
Christ’s suffering is an example to his disciples (2:21–23).
At his resurrection, Christ triumphed over his enemies (3:18–22).
Christians should live righteously in their homes and in society (2:11–3:7).
New life in Christ is the basis for a life of love and holiness (1:3; 1:13–2:3).
Outline

Opening (1:1–2)
Called to Salvation as Exiles (1:3–2:10)
Living as Strangers to Bring Glory to God in a Hostile World (2:11–4:11)
Enduring Suffering (4:12–5:11)
Concluding Words (5:12–14)
The Setting of 1 Peter

c. A.D. 62–63

Peter, probably writing from Rome (called “Babylon” in 5:13), addressed 1 Peter to believers in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. These names all referred to Roman provinces in Asia Minor, north of the Taurus Mountains.

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What you DID say that I find very interesting is your comment on eschatolog.

First of all, I don't know too much about eschatology --- I've never studied it.

However, I do know about preterism (very little !) and it seems you're saying that the Catholic Church believes in this?

If so, I've never heard of it, but I'd be able to ask someone there that would know. He taught Catholic theology (a Catholic Priest and theologian).

Please tell me more about this...
It does not sound right.
Catholics believe the world will come to an end at some point...
As we also believe.

Rome call Babylon after AD 70


1.3.3. Babylon is Rome Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ

 

[onlinebuddy]

It often happens that two elders may not agree on a particular issue. However, this agreement can never be about fundamental Christian truths such as who is the head of the Church, for it is clear that Jesus is the head of the Church. In case of doctrinal issues or differences of opinions, elders may also consult mature christians, because elders are servants after all, and not Lords. Elders must seek the spiritual advice of one another and submit to one another and live in peace with each other. Thus they show themselves to be the disciples of the Head and Chief Shepherd- Jesus. An elder must be anything, but infallible. Even Moses often consulted the elders of Israel.

Yes, Jimmy Swaggart, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Paula White, and other televangelists...are all self-appointed "Popes"

It seems to me that there should Always be a head for every organization.

Starting with the family,
Companies,
Churches... everything.

I went to a Nazarene Church years ago. The Main Office was in Youngstown Ohio.
Someone WAS at the top of the ladder.
I don't mean each individual Church, I mean the entire Church (denominational)

Someone MUST make the final decision.
Elders are for local churches and do not decide for the entire denomination.

A family has a head- the husband. I agree. However, the head of the husband is Christ. The husband is not a replacement or substitute (vicar) or a representative of Christ. The ultimate head is Christ himself. The husband does not make his own teachings; rather he points to the teachings of the ultimate head-Christ. The husband does not change or revise the teachings of Christ.

As the head (because the Bible calls him so) of the family (under Christ), a husband is a servant who is commanded to give himself up for his wife if needed, just as Christ gave himself up for his church. The husband does not always make the final decision for a family. The wife decides too. Marriage is a partnership; not a hierarchy. The husband and the wife have different roles though.

A church has an elder/overseer/bishop/deacon/evangelist/pastor/leader. Whoever the elder is, he cannot call himself the "head." In relation to a church, the "head" is a title and function that is exclusively assigned to Jesus. No human must assume the title of "head" as far as a church is concerned. No human elder, etc, must call himself "father" in connection with church leadership. Elders, etc., point the church to the head i.e. Christ. These are no way replacements or substitutes (vicars) or representatives of Christ on earth. They are not successors of Christ. They do not have the authority to change or revise the teachings of Christ. They must not add to the teachings of Christ. They are not infallible under any circumstance whatsoever.

The first century churches were autonomous. If I'm not mistaken, they did not have a common singular elder over all the churches. Paul (and the apostles) would jump from church to church teaching the elders, etc., about what Jesus had personally taught them, since printed gospels and epistles weren't available. And please....Peter was no way the main Pope over all the congregations.

 

[Jackson123]

Can Mary hear our prayers? Can the "saints" hear our prayers?


Talking about repetition of prayers, how would a father or mother feel if a child would repeat:
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Hello Daddy."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Mummy I'm hungry."
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"
"Thank you Daddy. You are awesome"

Aren't incense and priestly garments Old Testament Jewish traditions? Weren't oil lamps, incense, temples, candlesticks, etc temporary symbols that were supposed to lead us to the Saviour?

if my son come to me and say: I love you daddy 2000x

I will take him to the psychiatrist

 

[Jackson123]

Yeah Bladerunner...But He left us to send the Holy Spirit.
And sometimes different people hear different instructions !

And catholic believe Mary and other saint able to give instructions, and the instructions is attack the Bible though disguised.

 

[PrynceNY]

Like you for instance? It seems to me that many are taught to hate the Catholic Church. I still don't know why...

The scriptures says to stay away from false doctrines and practices. Catholic people are to be loved but the teachings of the church, no

 

[Bladerunner]

Like you for instance?

It seems to me that many are taught to hate the Catholic Church.

I still don't know why...

FranC Do you really know the history of the Catholic Church?

 

[onlinebuddy]

The elders might run the Church, but you can believe he's the Chief Executive Officer.

CEO is a title for a leader of a secular organization. For a church (which is a spiritual organism) the word elder, etc, would do, but NOT "Head" or "Vicar," as that would undermine the importance and authority of Christ.

Can't be any other way. Someone Always has to be the top boss. In any denominational Church.

In my opinion, every church must have a separate leader. Yes, there can always be a mature leader who would jump from church to church (like Paul) and teach the Bible and serve. However, he must not lord it over any of the congregations.

Every congregational leader can help out with another congregation. There is no question disputes in fundamental truths, as all congregations would follow the teachings of the Head- Christ, from the Bible, and nowhere else.

In case of any disputes, each congregational leader must consult the other. Each congregation of a denomination must be in touch with the other.

Each congregation must fund itself and not depend on the other. Yes, at times one congregations can accept help from another congregation. However, the administrations of each congregation must be separate as well.

And most important: the elder or the congregational leader must not control the money. His job would be to preach and teach and to serve.

I don't know how independent churches do this. Maybe the person who started it is the head.
Yes, like Joyce Meyers for instance.

The biggest problem with Joyce Meyers Ministries is that she controls the money. The same can be said of Benny Hinn Ministries, or Creflo Dollar Ministries or any other televangelist.

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi

I visited one of the Catacombs in Rome, but I was not saved back then (many years ago). Of course, it's run by Franciscans, or at least they were back then.

It was explained that they had found something written of Peter's or his name was on the walls, I can't remember. it DID seem like he had spent time there. Also, it seems that he was imprisoned in Rome and that he had made a trip as far North as Pisa.

I've never read any books on this since it does not seem very important to me.

All my bibles, when introducing Peter, say that it was most probably written from Rome.

I'm looking at the NASB right now, but I could not find this introduction online.

It doesn't matter to me very much, but it does seem your author is not in the majority of theologians and acrcheologists, although I cannot prove this and so cannot debate it. (no time).

Here is something that I pulled up on Bing. It's pretty much what is said:


cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc

Introduction to 1 Peter

Timeline

Timeline

Author, Date, and Recipients

The apostle Peter wrote this letter (1:1). He was once a fisherman but now was a disciple, a “witness of the sufferings of Christ” (5:1). He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign. The letter is addressed to Christians scattered in “Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia” (1:1). This is an area north of the Taurus Mountains in Asia Minor (modern-day Turkey). These territories had been impacted by Greco-Roman culture and had been under Roman control from the mid-first century B.C.

Theme

Those who persevere in faith while suffering persecution should be full of hope. They will certainly enjoy end-time salvation, since they already enjoy God’s saving promises through Christ’s death and resurrection.

Purpose

Peter is writing to encourage his readers to endure suffering and persecution (1:6–7; 2:18–20; 3:9, 13–17; 4:1–4, 12–19; 5:9) by giving themselves entirely to God (4:19). They are to remain faithful in times of distress, knowing that God will vindicate them and that they will certainly enjoy the salvation that the Lord has promised. Christ’s death and resurrection are the model for believers. Just as Christ suffered and then entered into glory, so too his followers will suffer before being exalted.

Key Themes

Those who suffer as Christians will be proven faithful when Christ returns (1:6–9; 2:18–25; 3:13–22; 4:12–19).
The church is the new temple, the new Israel, the new people of God (1:1–2; 2:4–10).
Believers should set their hope on their end-time inheritance (1:3–9, 13–16).
Christ died as a substitute for sinners. His death is the basis for their new life (1:17–21; 2:24; 3:13–22).
Christ’s suffering is an example to his disciples (2:21–23).
At his resurrection, Christ triumphed over his enemies (3:18–22).
Christians should live righteously in their homes and in society (2:11–3:7).
New life in Christ is the basis for a life of love and holiness (1:3; 1:13–2:3).
Outline

Opening (1:1–2)
Called to Salvation as Exiles (1:3–2:10)
Living as Strangers to Bring Glory to God in a Hostile World (2:11–4:11)
Enduring Suffering (4:12–5:11)
Concluding Words (5:12–14)
The Setting of 1 Peter

c. A.D. 62–63

Peter, probably writing from Rome (called “Babylon” in 5:13), addressed 1 Peter to believers in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. These names all referred to Roman provinces in Asia Minor, north of the Taurus Mountains.

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What you DID say that I find very interesting is your comment on eschatolog.

First of all, I don't know too much about eschatology --- I've never studied it.

However, I do know about preterism (very little !) and it seems you're saying that the Catholic Church believes in this?

If so, I've never heard of it, but I'd be able to ask someone there that would know. He taught Catholic theology (a Catholic Priest and theologian).

Please tell me more about this...
It does not sound right.
Catholics believe the world will come to an end at some point...
As we also believe.

I stoppped reading when I got to this. "He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign.

Sorry FranC I am a literalist and cannot accept Probablies, could bes, maybes, or almost certainlys.... Only Preterist do that.... Once you start to allegorize verses or whole chapters and books, you have left the building..... Once you start to allegorize History, one can say anything and there are people who will believe them..

I could have said that but it would have not been true.....As far as the being a minority about the thinking of Peter and Rome,,,,Welll welcome to my world.......

The fact that the Catholic Pope is not a true successor by any means, The Church down through History was sold out to harlots (literally) and Pope Innocent III killed more Christians in one afternoon that all of the Ceasar's of Rome put together.

Read the Book and you will see the truth........ The documents don't lie.........

Now, There are a lot of good people that are taken in by the pope and there will be some that will see the light and accept Jesus without any strings attached including his mother. I do think the Catholic Church will become the False Prophet and ride the Beast. The Bible speaks of a city on 7 hills and this one is the only one that fits. Read the Book, look at the facts and then make a decision. If you then feel they will still serve you better, then it is after all you eternal life you are gambling with and it is your decision...... I have given you all the information I can on this subject, that will hopefully pry you away from the Catholic CHurch.

I have no doubt that Islam will fall prey to the Catholic Church simply because they are pushing the Mother Mary and will in the near future make a co-redemtrix of the Church. There are a number of Protestant churches already singing the CC praises. Be very careful which one of those you get into......

May you have a Blessed evening.
Blade

 

[FranC]

FranC Do you really know the history of the Catholic Church?

Yes.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I believe the one pure Church is the one BEFORE Constantine declared it the religion of State.

 

[FranC]

I stoppped reading when I got to this. "He probably wrote the letter from Rome (see 5:13; “Babylon” almost certainly refers to Rome) around A.D. 62–63 during Nero’s reign.

Sorry FranC I am a literalist and cannot accept Probablies, could bes, maybes, or almost certainlys.... Only Preterist do that.... Once you start to allegorize verses or whole chapters and books, you have left the building..... Once you start to allegorize History, one can say anything and there are people who will believe them..

I could have said that but it would have not been true.....As far as the being a minority about the thinking of Peter and Rome,,,,Welll welcome to my world.......

The fact that the Catholic Pope is not a true successor by any means, The Church down through History was sold out to harlots (literally) and Pope Innocent III killed more Christians in one afternoon that all of the Ceasar's of Rome put together.

Read the Book and you will see the truth........ The documents don't lie.........

Now, There are a lot of good people that are taken in by the pope and there will be some that will see the light and accept Jesus without any strings attached including his mother. I do think the Catholic Church will become the False Prophet and ride the Beast. The Bible speaks of a city on 7 hills and this one is the only one that fits. Read the Book, look at the facts and then make a decision. If you then feel they will still serve you better, then it is after all you eternal life you are gambling with and it is your decision...... I have given you all the information I can on this subject, that will hopefully pry you away from the Catholic CHurch.

I have no doubt that Islam will fall prey to the Catholic Church simply because they are pushing the Mother Mary and will in the near future make a co-redemtrix of the Church. There are a number of Protestant churches already singing the CC praises. Be very careful which one of those you get into......

May you have a Blessed evening.
Blade

I'm Protestant!
I don't need to be pryed away...

 

[Jackson123]

Yes.
The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I believe the one pure Church is the one BEFORE Constantine declared it the religion of State.

so now catholic is not pure church anymore. Which church is the pure church now?

 

[FranC]

so now catholic is not pure church anymore. Which church is the pure church now?

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