Catholic believe pope is infallible

[onlinebuddy]

Yeah, I picked this for the song.
What's the song of Samuel and Isaiah?

Samuel was the one whom God called in the night. He responded, saying, "Here I am...."
Isaiah responded in a similar way.

 

[Jackson123]

The doctrine of infabillity of Pope is again the Bible, Bible instruct to test every doctrine even if that doctrine come from the angel from heaven.

It is mean only The doctrine from God can be accepted. No body allow to create his own doctrine

 

[Bladerunner]

What if two elders, two chiefs, two over-seers, or two deacons don't agree?

What then?

There is ONE HEAD to EVERY Church.
EVERY CHURCH has a "Pope".

One is Jimmy Swaggart.
One is Joel Osteen.

And so on....

You forgot one,,,,,,,Jesus! A good day to you FranC

 

[Jackson123]

You forgot one,,,,,,,Jesus! A good day to you FranC

Yep, only one chief for all church and that is Jesus, the rest is just a servant, or waiters.

Matthew 23:9King James Version (KJV)

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

if every body humble and only have one Father which is in heaven, the church will be honest and peace, no corruption, no greed

 

[Bladerunner]

Bladerunner...

This is the second time I've heard you mention this book and say that Peter was never in Rome.

How does the wrier know this? Could you explain please.

Was he in Rome back then, 2,000 years ago, and he knows this for certain since he disagrees with mostly all theologians.

I VISITED THE PRISON where Peter was held.
Could it be we were lied to all these years and only this person knows the truth?

Please explain a little bit. You cannot make a statement and then expect a person to go read the book.


Scott Hahn writes about some of the Covenants in A FAther Who Keeps His Promises.
GO READ THE BOOK.

See,,, this is wrong.

Please explain.

FranC...... there are no records in the Bible, local historical text or even archaeological data that Peter (Simon) ever visited Rome. There also are no records of Him dying in Rome or being buried in Rome... no remains have ever been found. Mark wrote Peter's work that was presented to Rome as if Peter had done it.. Paul wrote several of his epistles from Prison in Rome and had Peter had a Church in Rome or had he been a Bishop or had he even been in Rome, I am pretty sure Mark and Paul would have mentioned it somewhere... I mean they do tell us where He is at from time to time but those locations are not Rome.

Here is a simple quickly obtained article concerning this subject. If you need more I can supply them as well.
The Apostle Peter in Rome - Biblical Archaeology Society

Peter taught the Jews in the Babylon area the whole time..... He did make it to Jerusalem. While it is thought that Peter was crucified, there are no reliable records available. Additional biblical info: His father's name was Jonah.1 Peter himself was married,2. His place of origin was Beth-Saida, a largely Greek city,3 but he had made his home in Capernaum in Galilee.4

Now FranC as far as the Catholic Diocese is concerned, I have found through many hours of research, I believe they cannot be trusted. Their eschatology of Preteristism (at the very least..Replacement Theology) is not acceptable to me beliefs. Unfortunately, this type of eschatology has been and is continuing to be very aggressive against God's Word.

As far as the book "The Woman Rides the Beast" by David Hunt goes,,,,, You will just have to read it to understand. Warning: You will probably throw it through the window before you read it through.


Have a good evening.



(1).Matthew 16:17...(2).Mark 1:30 ...(3).John 1:44...(4).Mark 1:21ff.

 

[Jackson123]

FranC...... there are no records in the Bible, local historical text or even archaeological data that Peter (Simon) ever visited Rome. There also are no records of Him dying in Rome or being buried in Rome... no remains have ever been found. Mark wrote Peter's work that was presented to Rome as if Peter had done it.. Paul wrote several of his epistles from Prison in Rome and had Peter had a Church in Rome or had he been a Bishop or had he even been in Rome, I am pretty sure Mark and Paul would have mentioned it somewhere... I mean they do tell us where He is at from time to time but those locations are not Rome.

Here is a simple quickly obtained article concerning this subject. If you need more I can supply them as well.
The Apostle Peter in Rome - Biblical Archaeology Society

Peter taught the Jews in the Babylon area the whole time..... He did make it to Jerusalem. While it is thought that Peter was crucified, there are no reliable records available. Additional biblical info: His father's name was Jonah.1 Peter himself was married,2. His place of origin was Beth-Saida, a largely Greek city,3 but he had made his home in Capernaum in Galilee.4

Now FranC as far as the Catholic Diocese is concerned, I have found through many hours of research, I believe they cannot be trusted. Their eschatology of Preteristism (at the very least..Replacement Theology) is not acceptable to me beliefs. Unfortunately, this type of eschatology has been and is continuing to be very aggressive against God's Word.

As far as the book "The Woman Rides the Beast" by David Hunt goes,,,,, You will just have to read it to understand. Warning: You will probably throw it through the window before you read it through.


Have a good evening.



(1).Matthew 16:17...(2).Mark 1:30 ...(3).John 1:44...(4).Mark 1:21ff.

yep. Catholic believe Peter was bishop in Roe from AD 32-67

and Peter is the President Of apostle

Than why when Luke write a document about evangelism in Rome not mentions Peter at all.

in my country, or may all country, if president and two of his cabinet member, make a visit to other country. News paper will write the president and his 2 cabinet member ......
not just say 2 cabinet member and one other person make a visit to ....

to mentions the highest is more likely

if Peter there, Luke will write, Paul come to Rome help President Peter

 

[notuptome]

The Holy Spirit is the Vicar of Christ?

I Always thought He was God.....

I think you're a little mixed up.

Negative emotions bring to strange thoughts....

The Holy Spirit is God and Jesus Christ is God.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Holy Spirit is the One left in place of Christ. Feel free to read the entire passage in context to prove the obvious demonstration that the Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirit.

Most protestants consider the popes claim to the office of vicar to be utter blasphemy. It is tantamount to calling oneself God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FranC]

[video=youtube;rvOQZ9LxMlM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvOQZ9LxMlM[/video]

What a BEAUTIFUL song !!

 

[FranC]

Catholic is second largest religion in the world. Mean a lot of people love her

Like you for instance?

It seems to me that many are taught to hate the Catholic Church.

I still don't know why...

 

[FranC]

the different is if Peter tomb in Jerusalem, than it prove vatican is a liar.

vatican claim found a peter bone in Vatican, vatican was graves for pagan why Peter buried there? Nothing special
found a human bone in the graves, but how do you know it is belong to Peter?

Peter might have been buried there because he was imprisoned and crucified there.
I do believe this is commonly accepted today.

 

[notuptome]

Like you for instance?

It seems to me that many are taught to hate the Catholic Church.

I still don't know why...

Like Job they eschew evil. All pretty and white on the outside yet black as the pit inside.

Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[AllenW]

Peter might have been buried there because he was imprisoned and crucified there.
I do believe this is commonly accepted today.

I don't believe it.
In order for them to claim apostolic succession, they need something like this.
Gives them credibility.
No one can prove them right or wrong.

 

[FranC]

Have you ever thought of the fact that the person who kisses the feet of a statue may be making a weak person stumble?

One person may kiss the statue of Peter and think, "Thank you Jesus for giving me your gospel through Peter." However, a young onlooker may interpret this gesture as something that a good catholic must necessarily do.

The Bible gives us much freedom, but tells us to stop when our actions make others stumble. The statue kissing tradition has misled and destroyed many. No wonder God had banned the Israelites from even MAKING a statue.

As I have mentioned in another post, my grandmother believed that "Mother Mary" lived inside the statue standing on the home altar. My elder folks made me kiss the feet of saints and pray to them.

So, the bottom line is that our freedom of expression should not make someone else stumble.

I agree with you.

Over here priests are also responsible for this. It should not be encouraged. The CC needs more teaching.
For instance, every town has a patron saint. If the patron saint is San Lorenzo, on that day (August 10th) his stature will be offered after the mass and everyone goes up and kisses the statue.

I never go although I am at the Mass.
For Easter the priest will have a statue of Jesus.
I don't go for Him either because it would be too emotional.

I do agree with some rituals, but not this one.

 

[notuptome]

I don't believe it.
In order for them to claim apostolic succession, they need something like this.
Gives them credibility.
No one can prove them right or wrong.

At last count three churches in England claimed to have the head of Peter under their altars.

Weird thing about rome is their obsession with the bones of dead people in their churches.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I agree with you.

Over here priests are also responsible for this. It should not be encouraged. The CC needs more teaching.
For instance, every town has a patron saint. If the patron saint is San Lorenzo, on that day (August 10th) his stature will be offered after the mass and everyone goes up and kisses the statue.

I never go although I am at the Mass.
For Easter the priest will have a statue of Jesus.
I don't go for Him either because it would be too emotional.

I do agree with some rituals, but not this one.

This from the girl who came to CC claiming to be protestant. Yeah right and the pope is not catholic by your standard.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[FranC]

Candles, rosaries, statues, idols, incense, repetition of prayers, novenas, processions, patron saints, mary worship..to name a few.

Some traditions are fine, but they are wrong when they go against the Word of God.

Candles, rosaries, incense, repitition of prayers, prayers to Mary --- I'm good with.

Statues are not worshipped, but maybe they could start being weeded out --- I DO believe this is happening in the churches built now. There is no such thing as idols, I'm not sure what you mean. Novenas are not biblical, processions take the attention off Jesus and are no longer necessary in our modern world. Before they were a way for the towns people to get together an celebrate their patron saint.

That's how I feel.
I do wish some changes would be made.

I still say we should not hate our Christian brethren.

 

[FranC]

There is ONE HEAD to EVERY Church.
EVERY CHURCH has a "Pope".

One is Jimmy Swaggart.
One is Joel Osteen.

And so on....

It often happens that two elders may not agree on a particular issue. However, this agreement can never be about fundamental Christian truths such as who is the head of the Church, for it is clear that Jesus is the head of the Church. In case of doctrinal issues or differences of opinions, elders may also consult mature christians, because elders are servants after all, and not Lords. Elders must seek the spiritual advice of one another and submit to one another and live in peace with each other. Thus they show themselves to be the disciples of the Head and Chief Shepherd- Jesus. An elder must be anything, but infallible. Even Moses often consulted the elders of Israel.

Yes, Jimmy Swaggart, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Paula White, and other televangelists...are all self-appointed "Popes"


[/QUOTE]

It seems to me that there should Always be a head for every organization.

Starting with the family,
Companies,
Churches... everything.

I went to a Nazarene Church years ago. The Main Office was in Youngstown Ohio.
Someone WAS at the top of the ladder.
I don't mean each individual Church, I mean the entire Church (denominational)

Someone MUST make the final decision.
Elders are for local churches and do not decide for the entire denomination.

 

[FranC]

It often happens that two elders may not agree on a particular issue. However, this agreement can never be about fundamental Christian truths such as who is the head of the Church, for it is clear that Jesus is the head of the Church. In case of doctrinal issues or differences of opinions, elders may also consult mature christians, because elders are servants after all, and not Lords. Elders must seek the spiritual advice of one another and submit to one another and live in peace with each other. Thus they show themselves to be the disciples of the Head and Chief Shepherd- Jesus. An elder must be anything, but infallible. Even Moses often consulted the elders of Israel.

Yes, Jimmy Swaggart, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Paula White, and other televangelists...are all self-appointed "Popes"

I like what you are saying, but Joel Osteen was a unanimous choice to replace his father by the elders of the church.
He has pastors that do the actual running of the church.
There's no reason to believe that the elders don't control the Lakewood Church.[/QUOTE]

The elders might run the Church, but you can believe he's the Chief Executive Officer.
Can't be any other way. Someone Always has to be the top boss.

In any denominational Church.

I don't know how independent churches do this. Maybe the person who started it is the head.
Yes, like Joyce Meyers for instance.

 

[FranC]

It's nice that the priests are co-operative in your part of the world.

I believe it's because they know me personally.

I know, but I speak from my experience with the catholic church.

IIndia! It's unfortunate if it is because of our culture. I thought it was the same everywhere. I still have my doubts.

The CC tries to accomodate people and their culture. It's difficult to give up a former religion, customs, rituals, traditions. They try to make an easy transition for the persons --- I don't know if this is right. I don't have a definite opinion on this.
In a way I can understand and agree, but on the other hand it ends up that they do things the bible does not teach.
Didn't Paul say: " I am all things to all people. " How far is this to be taken???
1 Corinthians 9:22


You keep saying the "love your brother" line to everyone. Are you saying that my brother's business is not my business? Are you saying that I must not correct my brother in love?

The correction to Catholics Always comes through as being very condescending.
They are never spoken to as knowledgeable Christians and are put down at every turn.

There's another thread with a very intelligent and knowledgeable Catholic who is doing a very good job of explaining himself to the Others.

I find that when someone a little different comes to post in a thread, they are somewhat attacked. This happened to me, a Protestant, just because I believe that God demands obedience from us and everyone else saw me as a legalist because they have come to believe in the hyper grace movement (which is not biblical, if we want to be honest).

So, we should have NORMAL conversation with Catholics and treat them as well as I'd like to be treated here.

I DO NOT see this happening. So I'd have to say that I feel they are NOT loved and it would be better to keep the mouth closed than to say something not loving.

Mathew 15:10...
it's not what goes into the mouth --- but what comes out of the mouth that defiles a man.

I believe that LOVE must rule over us.

John 13:35
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, that you love one another."

 

[FranC]

I apologize! There was no question mark, so I thought you were making a statement, when you were actually asking a question. Anyway, you may share the verses I presented, with your catholic friends who do not feel the need to read their Bibles.

The bible is the most important book in the world! (and also the most sold....)

The bible is as relevent today as it was 2,000 years ago.

God did everything first, we just copied it...

For instance, Jesus is the BEST psychologist ever!

Man's nature does not change.
There's nothing new under the sun...

Those who know God and know His word are the luckiest people in the world.
Look where you live.... YOU are so much more in the light than the Others in different religions.

THE BIBLE IS FOR EVERY AGE !!