Get a bible software that has free commentaries. Ones by Adam Clarke and John Gill are good for learning historical fulfillments. With the software I have, all I have to do is click on the verse and the commentary note appears
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Get a bible software that has free commentaries. Ones by Adam Clarke and John Gill are good for learning historical fulfillments. With the software I have, all I have to do is click on the verse and the commentary note appears
Of course there is a distinction between believing gentiles and unbelieving Jews.
And of course, Jews that come to believe AFTER THE RAPTURE are not part of the Church per se.
Church is one and done....starts at Pentecost ends at the rapture.
Those who believe post-rapture are categorized in different classes of saints.
I wouldn't recommend him for his theology, but for his indepth knowledge of history
Many prophecies have historical, principle, and typological meanings. That is, historically they refer to Israel, principally they are referring to Christ, and typologically the consummation of all things in Christ.
If you keep in mind that all the promises of God are in Christ, then all prophecy is ultimately dealing with Him in some way. But they are also dealing with Israel and find their first fulfillment there.
Does Bible commentary not fall under the heading of theology?
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Premillennialism believe Zechariah 8:23, Amos 9:15, and Jeremiah 32:37-44 have not been fulfilled.
I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.
I wonder what free willers make of that verse.
Do they say, oh, God turned me into a puppet?
Do they scream about how unfair He is to act unilaterally to cause people to obey?
It does make me wonder...
I wonder what free willers make of that verse.
Do they say, oh, God turned me into a puppet?
Do they scream about how unfair He is to act unilaterally to cause people to obey?
It does make me wonder...
I know it's not pleasant sometimes m, but what can we do when in where disagreement
There are some people who have been Relentless here as in having zero reasoning to stop assigning everything we discuss to ideologies of the wrong kind. Despite asking them nicely to stop on several occasions, and explaining why they shouldn't, responding in kindness, rather than Sooner or later m when confronted with this no end, you end up saying something you wish you didn't have to.
Sending thousands of posts to then only have some new member come along and it's back to square 1 again, and people in this thread are being very tolerant in this thread towards that as well as being tolerant of unnecessary comments before calling it out for what it is.
Such as people behaving incredibly unfair, and acting like trolls that like to bully along with acting like hypocrites m
How much should you take before you call it out for what it is. Because you tried reasoning even humoring, as well showing them clearly how the will of man lives in the flesh m,.. and how the lords will is above all.
well it's all a breeze to them m , so they will probably say the fear of the lord doesn't apply to me.
I discussed this at length How the fear of the lord works with one free willer and it just ended up being used against me.
OK. That's 1 view. The same people can't explain the book of Revelation, give an outline, or explain how God can end a covenant without fulfilling the terms of the covenant. They relate prophecy to Israel but never Christ.
If you like, I can do some research on the verses and find an explanation for them. But regardless of what I find, will such people accept it? Probably not.
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@Cameron143 here is what I found
“Amos 9:15 is a kingdom prophecy. It is fulfilled, not in the Jewish nation but in the Christian church. The new Israel is the church that Jesus established. Like Paul said, “not all Israel is Israel.” (Romans 9:6) and “it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:9) The “land” of the new Israel prophesied in Amos 9:15 is not a physical land, but it is spiritual, because, as Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36) So Amos 9:15 has already been fulfilled through the Christian church.
The fulfillment of Zechariah 8:23, like Amos 9:15 is found, not in the Jewish nation but in the Christian church. It, too, is a kingdom prophecy. God prophesied repeatedly in many of the prophetic books, that “all nations” will stream into the kingdom of God, perhaps most famously in Isaiah 2:1-5, but also in Zechariah 8:23. The “Jew” in this passage is a spiritual Jew, as expressed in Galatians 3:7-9, where Paul tells us that the descendants of Abraham are those with faith in Jesus.
Haggai 2:23, like the others, is a kingdom prophecy. Zerubbabel, like Joshua in Zechariah 3:8, is a “symbol of things to come.”
All three of these prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus Christ and in his church. Anyone who suggests otherwise probably does not understand the relationship between Jewish prophecy and the New Testament. Jesus said that the Hebrew Scriptures testify about him (John 5:39). This is proved by Amos 9:15, Zechariah 8:23, and Haggai 2:23.”
“Amos 9:15 is a kingdom prophecy. It is fulfilled, not in the Jewish nation but in the Christian church. The new Israel is the church that Jesus established. Like Paul said, “not all Israel is Israel.” (Romans 9:6) and “it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:9) The “land” of the new Israel prophesied in Amos 9:15 is not a physical land, but it is spiritual, because, as Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36) So Amos 9:15 has already been fulfilled through the Christian church.
The fulfillment of Zechariah 8:23, like Amos 9:15 is found, not in the Jewish nation but in the Christian church. It, too, is a kingdom prophecy. God prophesied repeatedly in many of the prophetic books, that “all nations” will stream into the kingdom of God, perhaps most famously in Isaiah 2:1-5, but also in Zechariah 8:23. The “Jew” in this passage is a spiritual Jew, as expressed in Galatians 3:7-9, where Paul tells us that the descendants of Abraham are those with faith in Jesus.
Haggai 2:23, like the others, is a kingdom prophecy. Zerubbabel, like Joshua in Zechariah 3:8, is a “symbol of things to come.”
All three of these prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus Christ and in his church. Anyone who suggests otherwise probably does not understand the relationship between Jewish prophecy and the New Testament. Jesus said that the Hebrew Scriptures testify about him (John 5:39). This is proved by Amos 9:15, Zechariah 8:23, and Haggai 2:23.”
As a partial preterist, I believe they may have OT fulfillment and fulfillment in the time of Christ, but not in the future.
I haven't really done any study on them, so beyond that I would be speculating.
Sounds reasonable enough, but I would need to investigate further.
Can't explain? Who can't explain?
I'm a premillennialist and I CAN "explain" all of those prophecies and concatenate them with the book of revelation accurately without breaking a sweat.
You see little buddy, it is YOU that "can't explain" those prophecies or the book of revelation. You can't. Not me can't not they can't.....YOU can't.
In end times God will poor out his prophecies on everyone and everyone will be called to believe in Christ even the Jews, the father hasn't forgotten them and whilst scripture states the Jews have been made enemies for our sake, it only really means because of there hatred for the gentiles have they been made enemies for our sake . The final restoration for them, is really only showing Gods love and restoration for people, it doesn't show anything special about the Jews because they've been made enemies until the lord returns and until they accept the gentiles.
You have it has they have been made enemies until the gentiles are grafted in with them only. Well It works both ways in ends times.