Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

Not what the verse means. The promises are mediated through Christ. One must be in Christ to receive them.

It's outstanding really that he holds more value to Judaism than he does Christianity, he would rather rebuke Christianity than Judaism.

Im not surprised since there still living for works.

And he comes across as being so knowledgeable but he would not recognise the true house of Israel is his promised seed, adoption to the son. He would rather recognise Judaism as the promised seed by the looks of it.

The old covenant is not done away with m because it serves a purpose. But to say it only serves Judaism is incorrect.

 

[Cameron143]

It's outstanding really that he holds more value to Judaism than he does Christianity, he would rather rebuke Christianity than Judaism.

Im not surprised since there still living for works.

And he comes across as being so knowledgeable but he would not recognise the true house of Israel is his promised seed, adoption to the son. He would rather recognise Judaism as the promised seed by the looks of it.

The old covenant is not done away with m because it serves a purpose. But to say it only serves Judaism is incorrect.

Actually, the old covenant was done away with.

 

[Jordon]

Actually, the old covenant was done away with.

in what sense m

 

[Jordon]

Actually, the old covenant was done away with.

I think I know what your saying but it's still the authoritative word of God included in our bible.

 

[Cameron143]

in what sense m

In every sense. The old covenant was made between Israel and God. They didn't keep the covenant. The last straw was the crucifying of God's Son. So God brought on Israel the promised sanctions for their failure. This is largely what the book of Revelation is all about.

 

[Jordon]

In every sense. The old covenant was made between Israel and God. They didn't keep the covenant. The last straw was the crucifying of God's Son. So God brought on Israel the promised sanctions for their failure. This is largely what the book of Revelation is all about.

It still serves a purpose m for correction and teaching it can't be in every sense.

I think you've probably took what I said its not done away with as being just as superior as the new covenant,

 

[Genez]

While I recognize this is a popular view, there is simply no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile. There is only the new man.

That applies to the Bride of Christ - The Church.

I was a Jew. You were (I assume) a Gentile.

Now? In Christ?
We are neither!

We have become a new creation in Christ!
Neither Jew nor Gentile.

But, that does not apply to believers living in different dispensations.
In the Millennium, Jews will be Jews, and gentiles will remain being gentiles!

That is why it says for the time of the Tribulation, God will have 144,000 JEWS! Not Christians!

For the Church will have been raptured during the Tribulation and no longer on earth.

And, during the Millennium there will be once more a distinction made between Jews and gentiles as seen in... Zechariah 8:20-23!

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This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

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“Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city ​

will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. ​

I myself am going.’ And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the ​

Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”​

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This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

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“In those days, ten people from all languages and nations (gentiles) will take firm hold of one Jew ​

by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”​

Church age believers were chosen and predestined to be born during the Church age.
Chosen by God to be made the Bride of Christ!
We are now living in an age that God determined that we would find our salvation in.

If you were born in Moses day?
It would mean God predestined for you to be a Jew.

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[Genez]

Not what the verse means. The promises are mediated through Christ. One must be in Christ to receive them.

That would mean Abraham had to be in Christ before Isaac was born????

Abraham never became a new creation in Christ.
Neither did Moses.

 

[Jordon]

That applies to the Bride of Christ - The Church.

I was a Jew. You were (I assume) a Gentile.

Now? In Christ?
We are neither!

We have become a new creation in Christ!
Neither Jew nor Gentile.

But, that does not apply to believers living in different dispensations.
In the Millennium, Jews will be Jews, and gentiles will remain being gentiles!

That is why it says for the time of the Tribulation, God will have 144,000 JEWS! Not Christians!

For the Church will have been raptured during the Tribulation and no longer on earth.

And, during the Millennium there will be once more a distinction made between Jews and gentiles as seen in... Zechariah 8:20-23!

​

This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

​

“Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city ​

will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. ​

I myself am going.’ And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the ​

Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”​

​

This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

​

“In those days, ten people from all languages and nations (gentiles) will take firm hold of one Jew ​

by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”​

Church age believers were chosen and predestined to be born during the Church age.
Chosen by God to be made the Bride of Christ!
We are now living in an age that God determined that we would find our salvation in.

If you were born in Moses day?
It would mean God predestined for you to be a Jew.

......

actually the 144.000 are those who follow the lamb it is cited to

 

[Genez]

actually the 144.000 are those who follow the lamb it is cited to

Who will be chosen out from the 12 tribes of the Jews.
We may have lost track. But, God knows who they are.

You do not know that?

Revelation 7:2-8

Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. ​

He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm ​

the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal ​

on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who ​

were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.​

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From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,​

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from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Gad 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Asher 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Levi 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,​

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from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.​

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Those are definitely not gentiles.​

 

[Cameron143]

That applies to the Bride of Christ - The Church!

I was a Jew. You were (I assume) a Gentile.

Now? In Christ?
We are neither!

We have become a new creation in Christ!
Neither Jew nor Gentile.

But, that does not apply to believers living in different dispensations.
In the Millennium, Jews will be Jews, and gentiles will remain being gentiles!

That is why it says for the time of the Tribulation, God will have 144,000 JEWS! Not Christians!

For the Church will have been raptured during the Tribulation and no longer on earth.

And, during the Millennium there will be once more a distinction made between Jews and gentiles as seen in... Zechariah 8:20-23!

​

This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

​

“Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, and the inhabitants of one city ​

will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. ​

I myself am going.’ And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the ​

Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”​

​

This is what the Lord Almighty says: ​

​

“In those days, ten people from all languages and nations (gentiles) will take firm hold of one Jew ​

by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”​

Church age believers were chosen and predestined to be born during the Church age.
Chosen by God to be made the Bride of Christ!
We are now living in an age that God determined that we would find our salvation in.

If you were born in Moses day?
It would mean God predestined for you to be a Jew.

......

Again, a popular view, but poor understanding of covenants. The old covenant was a works covenant, but never concerned itself with salvation. The covenant was concerned with the Jewish nation living in the land in prosperity in obedience or suffering the sanctions associated with the covenant when failing to keep the terms of the covenant.

The covenants of grace started with Genesis 3 and run through the Noahic, Abrahamic, and Davidic covenants, culminating in the new covenant. Salvation has always been by grace through faith.

All those who have ever been saved are in Christ. He is the lone mediator between God and man.

 

[Genez]

It also teaches human perfectibility.
So very off, but then look at the doctrine they defend, what else can they do.

When she throws that out, it means she can not deal with the facts...
She just wants us out of her face, and does not have something real to work with.

 

[Genez]

Again, a popular view, but poor understanding of covenants

Are you for Dominion theology?

 

[Genez]

The old covenant was a works covenant, but never concerned itself with salvation.

Salvation by Works?

They needed to obey the Law for blessing.

Not for salvation.

 

[Cameron143]

That would mean Abraham had to be in Christ before Isaac was born????

Abraham never became a new creation in Christ.
Neither did Moses.

There is only 1 mediator between God and men. If you aren't in Christ, you are in trouble.

 

[Cameron143]

Are you for Dominion theology?

Don't know what it is.

 

[Cameron143]

Salvation by Works?

They needed to obey the Law for blessing.

Not for salvation.

That's what I said.

 

[Genez]

All those who have ever been saved are in Christ. He is the lone mediator between God and man.

You are confusing Christ the Husband of the Bride of Christ, with the Lord God as always being the one to believe on to be saved.

Before the Incarnation, He was known to the Jews as Adonoy Eluhenu. As the "Lord God" of Israel.

Philippians 2:5-8

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:​

​

Who, being eternally existing in very nature God,​

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;​

rather, he made himself nothing​

by taking the very nature of a servant,​

being made in human likeness.​

And being found in appearance as a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to death—​

even death on a cross!​

Prior to the Incarnation. The Lord God of Israel was always being a unique union of immaterial Soul and Deity.
It was by means of his Soul that He was able to make himself become as a man. Done so by denying himself
of his beloved powers of Deity.

He alone could do that.

 

[Genez]

Don't know what it is.

It is a good thing you don't.

 

[Cameron143]

You are confusing Christ the Husband of the Bride of Christ, with the Lord God as always being the one to believe on to be saved.

Before the Incarnation, He was known to the Jews as Adonoy Eluhenu. As the "Lord God" of Israel.

Philippians 2:5-8

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:​

​

Who, being eternally existing in very nature God,​

did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;​

rather, he made himself nothing​

by taking the very nature of a servant,​

being made in human likeness.​

And being found in appearance as a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to death—​

even death on a cross!​

Prior to the Incarnation. The Lord God of Israel was always being a unique union of immaterial Soul and Deity.
It was by means of his Soul that He was able to make himself become as a man. Done so by denying himself
of his beloved powers of Deity.

He alone could do that.

I'm not confusing anything. The Bible gives progressive revelation. This doesn't mean that the things revealed later weren't always true. There is only 1 mediator between God and man. This has always been the case. This isn't the result of the Incarnation or the cross. Either an individual is in Christ or they remain in Adam. There is no other option.