Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Bible_Highlighter]

Missed highlighting these verses in my previous post.
Here they are:

#11. Revelation 22:17 KJV

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

#12. Luke 13:34 KJV -

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets,
and stonest them that are sent unto thee;
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings,
and ye would not!"


The NLT says, "but you wouldn’t let me."



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[Genez]

His driving motivation was to follow his wife or companion Eve. Before they munched on whatever fruit it was, they would have had no idea of what it would be like to be like God. Who was there to adore Adam in the garden? I don't think you thought through your comment very well. It is illogical just on the human side of things.

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool [afternoon breeze] of the day, ​

so the man and his wife hid and kept themselves hidden from the presence of the Lord God among the ​

trees of the garden. Gen 3:8​

The Lord used to visit them in the Garden during the breezy time of day...

The term "breezy" could also be used to mean the "spiritual time of day. "
It is believed that the Lord would hold classes with them at that time.

 

[Genez]

What!? Whatever happened to your "freewill"?

It's now $100.00 an hour.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool [afternoon breeze] of the day, ​

so the man and his wife hid and kept themselves hidden from the presence of the Lord God among the ​

trees of the garden. Gen 3:8​

The Lord used to visit them in the Garden during the breezy time of day...

The term "breezy" could also be used to mean the "spiritual time of day. "
It is believed that the Lord would hold classes with them at that time.

What I find fascinating is that the Lord seemed to wonder about the actual location of Adam and Eve when they were hiding themselves because they were ashamed of their nakedness. How could God not know? Well, I believe this was a pre-incarnate form of Jesus, whose omniscience was temporarily suppressed. In the New Testament, Jesus prayed to the Father, desiring to share in the glory that He once had with Him before the foundation of the world (John 17:5 KJV). Both the Old and New Testaments reveal that the glory of the Lord is closely tied to knowledge (Habakkuk 2:14 KJV; 2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV). Well, I believe this is the most probable thing that was taking place here in the Garden based on looking at the whole counsel of God's Word.

In other words, the second Person of the Trinity, a pre-incarnate Jesus, had His omniscience (the possession of all knowledge) restrained while seeking out Adam and Eve in the garden.



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[Cameron143]

What I find fascinating is that the Lord seemed to wonder about the actual location of Adam and Eve when they were hiding themselves because they were ashamed of their nakedness. How could God not know? Well, I believe this was a pre-incarnate form of Jesus, whose omniscience was temporarily suppressed. In the New Testament, Jesus prayed to the Father, desiring to share in the glory that He once had with Him before the foundation of the world (John 17:5 KJV). Both the Old and New Testaments reveal that the glory of the Lord is closely tied to knowledge (Habakkuk 2:14 KJV; 2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV). Well, I believe this is the most probable thing that was taking place here in the Garden based on looking at the whole counsel of God's Word.

In other words, the second Person of the Trinity, a pre-incarnate Jesus, had His omniscience (the possession of all knowledge) restrained while seeking out Adam and Eve in the garden.



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That's ridiculous. The question was posed for effect. Adam had never before not met God at His coming.

 

[Genez]

What I find fascinating is that the Lord seemed to wonder about the actual location of Adam and Eve when they were hiding themselves because they were ashamed of their nakedness. How could God not know? Well, I believe this was a pre-incarnate form of Jesus, whose omniscience was temporarily suppressed. In the New Testament, Jesus prayed to the Father, desiring to share in the glory that He once had with Him before the foundation of the world (John 17:5 KJV). Both the Old and New Testaments reveal that the glory of the Lord is closely tied to knowledge (Habakkuk 2:14 KJV; 2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV). Well, I believe this is the most probable thing that was taking place here in the Garden based on looking at the whole counsel of God's Word.

In other words, the second Person of the Trinity, a pre-incarnate Jesus, had His omniscience (the possession of all knowledge) restrained while seeking out Adam and Eve in the garden.



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The Lord was not wondering.

Parents will do this sometimes with small children when having fun...

Knowing very well where the child hid himself.
A parent might say out loud, something like this...

"I wonder where Johnny went! Where can he be? "

(then hearing giggles coming from behind the couch)

 

[Jordon]

That's ridiculous. The question was posed for effect. Adam had never before not met God at His coming.

Theres never s moment where God doesn't know anything, and there's always a reason why it looks like he doesn't in the bible.

It's just people want to believe things there way.

The most famous passage for God knowing everything is he knew in advance how many descendants Abraham would have

Then there is Paul who was set aside in his mother's womb, God knew the day Paul (Saul would be filled with the holy spirit ) when he was in his mother womb.

Where are you hiding is reassurance buddy when you know it's the lords voice.

But time and time again we see the narrative being pushed in one direction, the lord will open there eyes one day hopefully

 

[pinebeach]

And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool [afternoon breeze] of the day, ​

so the man and his wife hid and kept themselves hidden from the presence of the Lord God among the ​

trees of the garden. Gen 3:8​

The Lord used to visit them in the Garden during the breezy time of day...

The term "breezy" could also be used to mean the "spiritual time of day. "
It is believed that the Lord would hold classes with them at that time.

It is not only believed, but confirmed, that it is not good to add to scripture. And then sit back and wait to be congratulated on your ability to speculate.

 

[Magenta]

How could God not know?

How can you insinuate that God is not omniscient? I would never expect that of you!

Asking questions is a VERY popular teaching tool.

Psalm 147 verse 5, Isaiah 40 verse 28b, Jeremiah 32 verse 17b, Isaiah 55 verse 9, Job 36 verse 5 ~ Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit. Psalm 147 verse 5 His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40 verse 28b Nothing is too difficult for You! Jeremiah 32 verse 17b For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so My ways are higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55 verse 9 His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40 verse 28b He is mighty in strength of understanding. Job 36 verse 5

 

[Genez]

It is not only believed, but confirmed, that it is not good to add to scripture. And then sit back and wait to be congratulated on your ability to speculate.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight."​

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- Philippians 1:9​

 

[Magenta]

Missed highlighting these verses in my previous post.
Here they are:

#11. Revelation 22:17 KJV

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

#12. Luke 13:34 KJV -

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets,
and stonest them that are sent unto thee;
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings,
and ye would not!"

The NLT says, "but you wouldn’t let me."
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Like many, you conflate making choices with having a will that is free. Why? No verses tell us the will is free. Quite the opposite.

We are discussing what the Bible says of man. Not what philosophy or humanism says.

At least, Bible believers discuss what the Bible says. We have many here who do not believe what the
Bible says on this matter. They are indeed Pelagian heretics despite your assertion to the contrary.

People making mundane choices does not in any way address what the Bible teaches about man's will being enslaved to sin, blinded to the truth, unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called. Thinking your will is free simply because you can choose what colour of socks to wear or what to have for lunch, or whether to do the right or wrong things, has no bearing on the eternal fate of your soul, and mixing it in with what the Bible teaches about the estate of fallen man is a distraction from the real issue.

This is the crux of the conversation, for it is out of man's nature that he makes choices, and it is with the heart that one believes... the free will proponents essentially assert that the incurably wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is free to choose to believe that which he is not only opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise to do God's will when Scripture says that man cannot. And their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they hear as foolishness. They reject what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit, and there are none good, no, not one! But they reject a whole slew of Scriptures from beginning to end of the Bible, such as nothing good lives in man's flesh, and flesh serves the law of sin, and brings forth fruit unto death, all in favour of a doctrine that has zero support in the Bible, with not one verse articulating what they prefer over what is actually said. In fact they routinely contradict and deny what is explicitly stated, and really seem unable to stop ascribing to the unregenerated man qualities, characteristics, and abilities that only the regenerated person is in possession of.

Colossians 2 v 8, Romans 16 v 18, Romans 10 v 2, Proverbs 19 v 2a ~ See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Zeal is no good without knowledge.

 

[Magenta]

... Pelagian.

Lots of Pelagian heretics here. They do not believe what the Bible says of man, or God.

Some of them would rather blaspheme God than admit they are wrong.

Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18

 

[Magenta]

I believe in God-enabled free will. You cannot believe or reject the gospel without God's enablement. This is why the statement that “the work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent” is entirely true. One cannot believe without God's enablement to see the truth. This, of course, happens according to God's choosing and timing in the right moments of a person’s life. But this enablement is not a forced regeneration or a hostile spiritual takeover of the will. If that were the case, a person would live in perfect obedience to God's will and do only good, for God's will is always holy, good, and loving.
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Lot of those here too, people claiming that being enabled means one was forced. Ridiculous, yes? Sad but true.
In fact we have been told so many things that directly contradict Scripture, and so many blasphemies, it is shameful.
They not only repeatedly contradict and deny what Scripture explicitly articulates, they rewrite the verses they dislike.

Man’s heart is deceitful above all things and incurable (Jer 17 v 9), himself full of evil (Mark 7 v 21-23), loves darkness rather than light (John 3 v 19), cannot come to God on his own (John 6 v 44), does not seek for God (Rom 3 v 10-12), is helpless and ungodly (Rom 5 v 6), nothing good dwells in his flesh (Rom 7 v 18), is a slave of sin (Rom 6 v 20, John 8 v 34, 2 Tim 2 v 26), cannot receive spiritual things (1 Cor 2 v 14), is dead in his sins (Eph 2 v 1), is by nature a child of wrath (Eph 2 v 3), is at enmity with God (Eph 2 v 15), hostile to God and cannot submit to God's law (Rom 8 v 7), blinded by Satan (2 Cor 4 v 4), hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his evil deeds will be exposed (John 3 v 20). Therefore we rightfully conclude in accordance with the conditions described of the unregenerated man in Scripture that his inborn inclination is to reject God. Thanks be to God, Who appoints people to believe (Acts 13 v 48), chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph 1 v 4), predestines us to adoption (Eph 1 v 5), calls according to His purpose (2 Tim 1 v 9), chooses us for salvation (2 Thes 2 v 13), leads us to and grants us repentance (Rom 2 v 4, 2 Tim 2 v 24-25), grants the act of believing (Phil 1 v 29), works faith in the believer (John 6 v 28-29), causes us to be born again (1 Pet 1 v 3), born again not by our will, effort or desire but by His will and desire (John 1 v 12-13), grants that we come to Jesus (John 6 v 65), draws people to Himself (John 6 v 44), predestines us to salvation (Rom 8 v 29-30), and circumcises our heart (with the heart one believes [Rom 10 v 10]) as promised in Deut 30 v 6, all according to His purpose (Phil 2 v 13). The stony ground of man’s wicked heart is not good soil. A bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Jesus said so! (Matt 7 v 18 + 12 v 33; Luke 6 v 43). All this and more weighed against zero verses articulating the so-called “free will” of the natural man, which is a vain man-exalting philosophically based doctrine erroneously and egregiously elevated to Bible truth. Praise God and to His glory, what is impossible with man is possible with God.

 

[Magenta]

The gospel is foolishness to the natural man, since he can neither accept nor comprehend the spiritual things of God. It is impossible for his incurably wicked heart to grow the seed of God’s Word into the good fruit of faith while he is captive to the will of the devil. Along with the rest of the world who does not know God, he is blinded to the truth and under the power and influence of Satan, rendered incapable of submitting to or obeying God, with Whom he is inherently hostile toward in his mind, for he craves what is contrary to the Spirit. He suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, refusing to come into the light because he is a slave to sin, a lover of darkness, defined as darkness itself, and his deeds are evil.

 

[sawdust]

How can you insinuate that God is not omniscient? I would never expect that of you!

Because he didn't say God is not omniscient. He was relating how Christ can have His Deity refrain from sharing knowledge with His humanity.

We see this at it's peak in the Incarnation. There were things Jesus did not know and had to rely on the Father and Spirit for the information and sometimes (like His return) was withheld.

 

[cv5]

Things are neither Calvinistic nor Pelagian. The Bible does not plainly or openly teach a Calvinistic view where God forcefully regenerates a person against their own free will, compelling them to believe as if they had no real choice, while at the same time allowing others to perish even though He could have just as easily changed their will to be saved as well. Nor does Scripture support a fully Pelagian idea that man, by his own free will, chooses God entirely on his own, apart from any divine drawing, the opening of the heart, illumination, or conviction of sin (see John 12:32; Acts 16:14; 2 Corinthians 4:4; John 16:8).

The missing or middle ground of understanding lies in what could be described as Temporary Enlightenment or Enablement, which is called Prevenient Grace in Arminianism, a term I believe does not fully capture what is actually taking place, unlike Temporary Enlightenment.

I believe there is a blindness placed by Satan upon man in this life, preventing people from seeing spiritual truths. Yet I also see in Scripture that God draws men spiritually (John 12:32), opens the heart (Acts 16:14), illuminates the mind (2 Corinthians 4:4), and convicts of sin (John 16:8), enabling their will, heart, and understanding to receive the gospel. God frees their will from Satan’s blindness and grants a spiritual enablement so they can either accept the gospel or reject it. The gospel message is that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day for our salvation. Otherwise, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and many other verses would make no sense. That verse says they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. They perish because they received not the love of the truth, not because God refused to regenerate them, as Calvinism teaches.

In Calvinism, the gospel does not actually save in the way Scripture teaches. It is not through believing the message of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 that a person is saved, but rather through being one of the unconditionally chosen whom God decides to regenerate. In this system, God must first change or force the heart to believe, meaning faith in the gospel is not what brings salvation, but is instead the result of already being saved. They are considered saved in the very moment of regeneration, or being born again, before they even believe, and are therefore not saved as a direct result of believing the gospel message. This teaching removes the true purpose of the gospel message, which is meant to bring salvation to those who hear and believe it.

After a person has been temporarily enabled or enlightened by God, having their will freed from the blindness of the devil, they are given the genuine freedom to either accept the gospel or reject it. Scripture, in fact, is filled with passages that affirm man’s free will in choosing God (which would be under God's spiritual enlightenment).

Free Will Choice involving the Lord in the Bible:

#1. Joshua 24:15 KJV -

"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"

#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

#3. John 7:17 KJV -

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."

#4. John 7:37 KJV -

"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."

#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -

"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"

#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -

"Repent therefore and be converted"

#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"

#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -

"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"

#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -

"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."

#10. Genesis 4:7 KJV -

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

#11. Revelation 22:17 KJV

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

#12. Luke 13:34 KJV -

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

The NLT says, "but you wouldn’t let me."

If Calvinism were true, it would imply that God has the power to simply click His fingers and save anyone He wants, turning them into mindless puppets who do His will perfectly or do only good. But that is not what we see in reality or in Scripture. If God truly exercised this kind of power over the human will, why would He not just click His fingers and force everyone to be saved against their will and make them do only good? This is why Calvinism is not only unbiblical but also morally problematic.

I believe in God-enabled free will. You cannot believe or reject the gospel without God's enablement. This is why the statement that “the work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent” is entirely true. One cannot believe without God's enablement to see the truth. This, of course, happens according to God's choosing and timing in the right moments of a person’s life. But this enablement is not a forced regeneration or a hostile spiritual takeover of the will. If that were the case, a person would live in perfect obedience to God's will and do only good, for God's will is always holy, good, and loving.




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Neither can any man draw breath without God's "enablement".

 

[Magenta]

The missing or middle ground of understanding lies in what could be described as Temporary Enlightenment or Enablement, which is called Prevenient Grace in Arminianism, a term I believe does not fully capture what is actually taking place, unlike Temporary Enlightenment.

It is actually and correctly Biblically called being made alive in Christ.

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.

 

[Magenta]

The free will camp assumes, with no supporting text and contrary to many verses that evidence the opposite, that the man of flesh is free to choose, and will believe, that which he can neither receive nor comprehend, and to which he is inherently opposed with his uncircumcised heart of stone. There is simply no getting around the fact that this is the core of their belief, and it flies in the face of what Scripture actually teaches about the natural man who is a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light, blinded to truth and under the power and influence of Satan: he serves the law of sin which brings forth fruit unto death, not life. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, his incurably wicked heart cannot be changed. He hates God, rejects the light, and hears the gospel message as foolishness. Praise the Lord if He has set you free!

 

[Genez]

The gospel is foolishness to the natural man, since he can neither accept nor comprehend the spiritual things of God. It is impossible for his incurably wicked heart to grow the seed of God’s Word into the good fruit of faith while he is captive to the will of the devil. Along with the rest of the world who does not know God, he is blinded to the truth and under the power and influence of Satan, rendered incapable of submitting to or obeying God, with Whom he is inherently hostile toward in his mind, for he craves what is contrary to the Spirit. He suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, refusing to come into the light because he is a slave to sin, a lover of darkness, defined as darkness itself, and his deeds are evil.

Were we not all the "natural man" before we were saved?

 

[Jordon]

Things are neither Calvinistic nor Pelagian. The Bible does not plainly or openly teach a Calvinistic view where God forcefully regenerates a person against their own free will, compelling them to believe as if they had no real choice, while at the same time allowing others to perish even though He could have just as easily changed their will to be saved as well. Nor does Scripture support a fully Pelagian idea that man, by his own free will, chooses God entirely on his own, apart from any divine drawing, the opening of the heart, illumination, or conviction of sin (see John 12:32; Acts 16:14; 2 Corinthians 4:4; John 16:8).

The missing or middle ground of understanding lies in what could be described as Temporary Enlightenment or Enablement, which is called Prevenient Grace in Arminianism, a term I believe does not fully capture what is actually taking place, unlike Temporary Enlightenment.

I believe there is a blindness placed by Satan upon man in this life, preventing people from seeing spiritual truths. Yet I also see in Scripture that God draws men spiritually (John 12:32), opens the heart (Acts 16:14), illuminates the mind (2 Corinthians 4:4), and convicts of sin (John 16:8), enabling their will, heart, and understanding to receive the gospel. God frees their will from Satan’s blindness and grants a spiritual enablement so they can either accept the gospel or reject it. The gospel message is that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day for our salvation. Otherwise, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and many other verses would make no sense. That verse says they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. They perish because they received not the love of the truth, not because God refused to regenerate them, as Calvinism teaches.

In Calvinism, the gospel does not actually save in the way Scripture teaches. It is not through believing the message of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 that a person is saved, but rather through being one of the unconditionally chosen whom God decides to regenerate. In this system, God must first change or force the heart to believe, meaning faith in the gospel is not what brings salvation, but is instead the result of already being saved. They are considered saved in the very moment of regeneration, or being born again, before they even believe, and are therefore not saved as a direct result of believing the gospel message. This teaching removes the true purpose of the gospel message, which is meant to bring salvation to those who hear and believe it.

After a person has been temporarily enabled or enlightened by God, having their will freed from the blindness of the devil, they are given the genuine freedom to either accept the gospel or reject it. Scripture, in fact, is filled with passages that affirm man’s free will in choosing God (which would be under God's spiritual enlightenment).

Free Will Choice involving the Lord in the Bible:

#1. Joshua 24:15 KJV -

"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"

#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

#3. John 7:17 KJV -

"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."

#4. John 7:37 KJV -

"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."

#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -

"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"

#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -

"Repent therefore and be converted"

#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"

#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -

"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"

#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -

"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."

#10. Genesis 4:7 KJV -

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

#11. Revelation 22:17 KJV

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

#12. Luke 13:34 KJV -

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

The NLT says, "but you wouldn’t let me."

If Calvinism were true, it would imply that God has the power to simply click His fingers and save anyone He wants, turning them into mindless puppets who do His will perfectly or do only good. But that is not what we see in reality or in Scripture. If God truly exercised this kind of power over the human will, why would He not just click His fingers and force everyone to be saved against their will and make them do only good? This is why Calvinism is not only unbiblical but also morally problematic.

I believe in God-enabled free will. You cannot believe or reject the gospel without God's enablement. This is why the statement that “the work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent” is entirely true. One cannot believe without God's enablement to see the truth. This, of course, happens according to God's choosing and timing in the right moments of a person’s life. But this enablement is not a forced regeneration or a hostile spiritual takeover of the will. If that were the case, a person would live in perfect obedience to God's will and do only good, for God's will is always holy, good, and loving.




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all the scripture you post is the lords faith being expressed through a persons heart.

And your wrong God does have to go against the will of a person to save them, it's sighted in so many scriptures, and whilst you may say it's forceful the lords calls it saving.