He sure loves adding to Scripture. Adam deliberately chose to sin... That is all we need to know.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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His driving motivation was to follow his wife or companion Eve. Before they munched on whatever fruit it was, they would have had no idea of what it would be like to be like God. Who was there to adore Adam in the garden? I don't think you thought through your comment very well. It is illogical just on the human side of things.
you can't value your own flesh like he is in this video, you have to cut the flesh of daily.
Further more he only interested in gaining more subscribers.
Genez keeps digging his own grave deeper and deeper, proving how ignorant he is of God's Word. He didn't know that OC Israel was God's wife, and now he doesn't know that Jesus was worshiped before and after his resurrection, as you correctly pointed out. But he Shirley has talking points down...
According to you, not me. Us is all.
But either way, you didn't fit the category of righteous, God fearing, God loving, Son loving etc when Christ died for you so it still fits. God loves because that is who He is and desiring the highest and best for the ungodly is what He does.
In other words context in passages means nothing to you. You're too proud to admit what the passage really says.
As far as your "categories" above go, Jesus my Federal Head did fit the categories -- all of them! He loved his Father, He trusted His Father, He delighted in the Fear of the Lord, and He was sinless -- perfectly righteous. You don't have the first clue what the ramifications or implications are to the doctrine of Federal Headship. Jesus not only died for me, but the life He lived when He walked this earth, he lived for me as well...and for all his chosen, covenant people.
I'm still waiting for you to provide one explicit passage that teaches that God loves the wicked. But you can't find one, can you?
Do you believe God's Word?
John 1:1 tells us In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 tells us And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us
The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us ...
Revelation 19:11-16
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Who is the Word?
Who is the King of kings and the Lord of lords?
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Rubbish. Garbage. Adam was not created holy! He was created INNOCENT. God tested Adam's faith to see if he could attain to the level or righteousness, which he did not.
So, when Adam decided that he wanted know what God knows about Good and Evil and he disobeyed God, Adam didn't deceive himself into thinking that he would be as smart as God? Wherever the sin of Pride and the Love of Self are, Deceitfulness is never, never far behind. Sin itself is deceitful in nature. Adam deceived himself! He didn't need Satan to help him, anymore than Lucifer needed anyone to deceive him.
you still haven't answered the simple question I asked you, on three occasions
Do you believe his word became flesh
Yes or no ?
Why is it you can't answer the question
Do you believe God's word was made flesh
Yes or no.
Ok @reneweddaybyday
Let's get in the same page
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
Do you see the word was with God ?
Let's get in the same page
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
Do you see the word was with God ?
Not proud, I know the Lord well enough not to get sucked into your errors.
Didn't ask about your Federal Head, asked how you fit into the categories considering God loved you enough to include you in the headship. Unless of course he hasn't included you and you're still on the outside looking in.
I did what you asked. Me not complying with your request is not the problem, the problem is you don't believe what I gave fulfills your demands.
God demonstrated His love while we were still sinners. He was demonstrating that love to us, not to His Son. His Son did not need the demonstration, He never doubted.
Does his word dwell in you ?
That's the question.
His word was with him in the beginning and the word was God.
The word being with him is his ways
The meaning of the word was God means his word expresses how God was,
The word was with God,
The word was God
Which means all the word That's Jesus the man shared with us was how God was, Jesus said I can do nothing unless I see the father doing it first.
Do you see that ?
Anyhow it makes no difference really, but the discussion I was having was the word became flesh so that the word could dwell with us after he left to ?
Why did I say that that, well it was because John 1 states human will lives in the flesh.
So now I ask why would Gods word dwell with us ?
It was not malevolence at all.
Adam was naïve.
For he admired the Lord, and wanted to become like Him.
But the p[problem was?
Adam disobeyed the command.
When told he would become like Him by eating the fruit?
Adam was not malevolent.
He was naive in that regard.
But, not deceived about what the command stated.
Satan made what he did into a temptation after observing how much Adam wished he could be like the Lord.
Such misunderstanding is common Pemican, didn't want to discuss my view yet but think it's necessary as others are likely to misunderstand too.
Think about it, how can we say we have free will, when we must accommodate the needs of others and their choices too? It's actually impossible but what we do have is agency, we can make some choices and influence other decisions and events.
Personally think the only being who really has free will is the LORD and i say Amen to that.
Things are neither Calvinistic nor Pelagian. The Bible does not plainly or openly teach a Calvinistic view where God forcefully regenerates a person against their own free will, compelling them to believe as if they had no real choice, while at the same time allowing others to perish even though He could have just as easily changed their will to be saved as well. Nor does Scripture support a fully Pelagian idea that man, by his own free will, chooses God entirely on his own, apart from any divine drawing, the opening of the heart, illumination, or conviction of sin (see John 12:32; Acts 16:14; 2 Corinthians 4:4; John 16:8).
The missing or middle ground of understanding lies in what could be described as Temporary Enlightenment or Enablement, which is called Prevenient Grace in Arminianism, a term I believe does not fully capture what is actually taking place, unlike Temporary Enlightenment.
I believe there is a blindness placed by Satan upon man in this life, preventing people from seeing spiritual truths. Yet I also see in Scripture that God draws men spiritually (John 12:32), opens the heart (Acts 16:14), illuminates the mind (2 Corinthians 4:4), and convicts of sin (John 16:8), enabling their will, heart, and understanding to receive the gospel. God frees their will from Satan’s blindness and grants a spiritual enablement so they can either accept the gospel or reject it. The gospel message is that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day for our salvation. Otherwise, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and many other verses would make no sense. That verse says they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. They perish because they received not the love of the truth, not because God refused to regenerate them, as Calvinism teaches.
In Calvinism, the gospel does not actually save in the way Scripture teaches. It is not through believing the message of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 that a person is saved, but rather through being one of the unconditionally chosen whom God decides to regenerate. In this system, God must first change or force the heart to believe, meaning faith in the gospel is not what brings salvation, but is instead the result of already being saved. They are considered saved in the very moment of regeneration, or being born again, before they even believe, and are therefore not saved as a direct result of believing the gospel message. This teaching removes the true purpose of the gospel message, which is meant to bring salvation to those who hear and believe it.
After a person has been temporarily enabled or enlightened by God, having their will freed from the blindness of the devil, they are given the genuine freedom to either accept the gospel or reject it. Scripture, in fact, is filled with passages that affirm man’s free will in choosing God (which would be under God's spiritual enlightenment).
Free Will Choice involving the Lord in the Bible:
#1. Joshua 24:15 KJV -
"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"
#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
#3. John 7:17 KJV -
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."
#4. John 7:37 KJV -
"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."
#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -
"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"
#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -
"Repent therefore and be converted"
#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"
#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -
"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"
#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -
"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."
#10. Genesis 4:7 KJV -
"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
#11. Revelation 22:17 KJV
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."
#12. Luke 13:34 KJV -
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
The NLT says, "but you wouldn’t let me."
If Calvinism were true, it would imply that God has the power to simply click His fingers and save anyone He wants, turning them into mindless puppets who do His will perfectly or do only good. But that is not what we see in reality or in Scripture. If God truly exercised this kind of power over the human will, why would He not just click His fingers and force everyone to be saved against their will and make them do only good? This is why Calvinism is not only unbiblical but also morally problematic.
I believe in God-enabled free will. You cannot believe or reject the gospel without God's enablement. This is why the statement that “the work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent” is entirely true. One cannot believe without God's enablement to see the truth. This, of course, happens according to God's choosing and timing in the right moments of a person’s life. But this enablement is not a forced regeneration or a hostile spiritual takeover of the will. If that were the case, a person would live in perfect obedience to God's will and do only good, for God's will is always holy, good, and loving.
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And the Lord has mercy on ignorance.
1 Timothy 1:13
Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
Paul knew the letter (of the Law) but He didn't know the Spirit.