You have some good points there. Yes.
And yes I agree He is our exemplar in our own sojourn.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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And yes I agree He is our exemplar in our own sojourn.
well David it's not the only time you've got it wrong about me, genez has also told cameron he's going to hell
Further more @DavidLamb I told genez in a private message he needs to apologize to Cameron publicly for telling him he's going to hell, as it's against God's will to speak of Gods children this way.
He hasnt apologised publicly and the only thing he has done is resort to calling Cameron a queer.
What do you think David ? Do you think this behaviour is acceptable?
He hasnt apologised publicly and the only thing he has done is resort to calling Cameron a queer.
What do you think David ? Do you think this behaviour is acceptable?
I do not think anybody calling another forum member names like that is right on a Christian forum, but it is up to the moderators to take any action necessary. (And I still don't understand the roller skates reference, or why that should refer to homosexuals, unless it is a figure of speech that I haven't heard of.)
[Rom 5:19 NKJV]
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous.
Critical verse.....
[Rom 6:6 NKJV]
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with [Him], that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Yes, we have corrupt flesh and blood.
Not only do I think that Adam WAS not deceived (this we know for certain), I think that He was created so that he COULD not be deceived. I could be wrong so I won't be dogmatic about this.
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You needn't be offended for my sake. People are often offensive. One need not take offense.
John 1:11-12 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
those who received (lambanō ) ... the word "received" is translated from the Greek word lambanō which means:
"actively lay hold of to take or receive," see NAS dictionary) – properly, to lay hold by aggressively (actively)accepting what is available (offered). 2983/lambánō ("accept with initiative") emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver.
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as many of those who actively lay hold of Him ...
He gave = (didōmi ) ... it is God Who gives the right to become children of God ... to those who receive the Lord Jesus Christ.
the power = (exousia ) ... which means:
(from 1537 /ek, "out from," which intensifies 1510 /eimí, "to be, being as a right or privilege") – authority, conferred power; delegated empowerment ("authorization")
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The one who receives the Lord Jesus Christ is empowered ... God provides all that is necessary ...
to become = (ginomai ) ... Christ is the Son of God ... those who receive the Lord Jesus Christ are empowered to become sons of God ... become something they were not before they received the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ clarified that it is through faith in Him that believers become children of God ... as opposed to being of the lineage of Abraham.
sons of God = (teknon ) ... sons of God ... not servants, but a Father/child relationship ... those who become sons of God ... are sons of God by birth as shown in vs 13.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
not of blood – not through descendancy or ancestry ... nor of the will of the flesh – not of any fleshly impulse ... nor of the will of man – not from the inclination of man ... but of God – it is of God that those who receive the Lord Jesus Christ ... those who actively lay hold of Him when He is revealed to them ... are given the right to become His children.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.
The Lord Jesus Christ was made flesh, and dwelt among mankind ... He is the only begotten of the Father ... He is full of grace and truth.
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You seem be saying you only believe Jesus became flesh and not his word ? Is that correct ?
Jesus is the Word made flesh.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.
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Do you believe his word was made flesh ? Yes or no ?
Otherwise I'm not going into discussion with you.
did you read what I wrote? ... I said "Jesus is the Word made flesh" and showed you the Scripture which says so.
your choice do discuss or not discuss.Jordon said:
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And, Jesus was not God, being God, in a body prior to the sacrifice on the Cross.
His Deity was, so to speak, a spectator concerning the life of his humanity.
All help was to come from, what we depend upon for help.
From the Father and the Holy Spirit. Not from his own Deity.
If Jesus operated as God in His Deity, the following passage would not have been needed.
He Himself, without any prayer, would have simply done it himself.
“Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man, “by this
time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you
that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the
benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” John 11:39-42
Note: The Father (and Holy Spirit) were supplying all of what was needed to raise Lazarus from the dead.
Not Jesus, by means of His own Deity.
After the Cross was completed, which needed Him to be as a man to be our substitute.
He soon after ascended, and it was then that He was glorified to be returned to His function as being God!
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. Colossians 2:9
Apparently, many, when they read Colossians 2:9, they assume that was always being the state of the immediate manifestation of Jesus. That manifestation of functioning as God was only to return to Him after He ascended and was glorified by the Father.
He came to earth as a man, to finish the work assigned him, requiring that he be as a man to die in our place!
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I believe Adam was jealous of the Lord and wanted to be as the Lord was.
Unlike Satan, who wanted to replace the Lord, Adam simply wanted to be his equal.
The thought of the fruit enabling him to be like the Lord (whom he admired) was his driving motivation.
For he used to watch Eve adoring the Lord while teaching them, and wanted that adoration for himself.
Kind of like a boyfriend getting jealous when his girlfriend gets all excited while watching a movie star.
IMHO...
Heavens no. Totally disagree, Adam had no malevolent intentions. Whatsoever. Quite the contrary.