Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
I see that it is right not to justify myself here. I actually did hear a confession that was intended for a priest in the hospital. That person did mention Calvinism to me gently. I gave my offering to the patient in hospital care and was careful not to mention it.

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Ok so you identify that teachings of John calvin is Calvinism,.but can you identify that people associated with Calvin's teaching don't actually call themselves Calvinists ,?
 
Jordon said:
This has nothing to do with what I wrote. And I don't know how you can come to this understanding from what I wrote.

Maybe you could could explain how you have ?
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So, I read Job starting after the devil brings up Job in conversation with God. And Job speaks carelessly of himself to his Friends. And they keep telling him that he is righteous but will not listen to common sense. He scraped open wounds with pottery fragments. He allowed himself to live in filth. But this is not because he was unable to see the value of what he had. It is because he considered himself to be beyond help.

I'm open to hearing your word on this, but no need to make me happy with thoughts and prayers. I want to understand your perspective better on why he was appealing to Moses.
 
Jordon said:
Ok so you identify that teachings of John calvin is Calvinism,.but can you identify that people associated with Calvin's teaching don't actually call themselves Calvinists ,?
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No, I don't think people say "Calvinist member of a church." But they do say "Lutheran member of a church." The distinguishment is not a matter on whether the member reads Calvin, but there is a book of Confessions in the Calvinist section of a church library which is instrumentally different than Concordia; the Book of Confessions.
 
Jordon said:
ok well I'll accept this, so what issues do you have with calvinism
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I don't take issue to Calvin, I keep the confessions of the Presbyterian Church close to mind and in right orderly procession to said Presbyterian deity.
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
So, I read Job starting after the devil brings up Job in conversation with God. And Job speaks carelessly of himself to his Friends. And they keep telling him that he is righteous but will not listen to common sense. He scraped open wounds with pottery fragments. He allowed himself to live in filth. But this is not because he was unable to see the value of what he had. It is because he considered himself to be beyond help.

I'm open to hearing your word on this, but no need to make me happy with thoughts and prayers. I want to understand your perspective better on why he was appealing to Moses.
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more than likely job would have felt shame or even guilt in his life he wasnt happy about that God was able to make him feel better about like Moses.
 
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Jordon said:
more than likely job would have felt shame or even guilt in his life he wasnt happy about that God was able to make him feel better about like Moses.
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Remember, Job was not more than a slave in God's Presence. It was only by the slain victim of passover rites' Sacrifice that the Son of Man could call him His friend.
 
Jordon said:
That was instruction tho, those who didn't follow that instruction would be taken also, which again means the lord was changing there will.
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You know, I have not been able to make much sense of his Friends' appeal to proper order according to Job. It's definitely on the table now. Your insight is wonderful
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
You know, I have not been able to make much sense of his Friends' appeal to proper order according to Job. It's definitely on the table now. Your insight is wonderful
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Thanks i appreciate that, well we all need examples.we can follow and Job clearly represents a good example. Ok well it's nice to have you here and welcome to cc
 
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Jordon said:
Thanks i appreciate that, well we all need examples.we can follow and Job clearly represents a good example. Ok well it's nice to have you here and welcome to cc
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You are welcome for giving me a reason to thank you about that, Jordon sir.
 
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Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
You are welcome for giving me a reason to thank you about that, Jordon sir.
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Well I would appeal to priority because of our ancestors the lords way has been kept, and we do need to honour our brothers in Christ. We should be devoted to each other in love and honour each other above ourselves putting the needs of brothers above your own.
 
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Jordon said:
Well I would appeal to priority because of our ancestors the lords way has been kept, and we do need to honour our brothers in Christ. We should be devoted to each other in love and honour each other above ourselves putting the needs of brothers above your own.
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Yes, even my life, for the Presbyterians. Definitely.
 
Jordon said:
I like there faith I have to say they do honour Gods sovereignty very well.

But then theres just plain old stupidity of people that don't,..I think trump touches on stupidity very well, my brother just shared this with me.

Might make you laugh 😂

https://youtube.com/shorts/T45j98T8UGM?si=sGwJ8oLJk-yP8Wgg
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Trump is very popular with some people I have shared with my confession and been seated next to in choir. I don't think he is evil. But I cannot just say that his adulterous tapes didn't dodge me out from ever voting for him there...
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
Trump is very popular with some people I have shared with my confession and been seated next to in choir. I don't think he is evil. But I cannot just say that his adulterous tapes didn't dodge me out from ever voting for him there...
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I'm from the UK so I don't read that much into it, but something has stuck out in my memory, it was about 1 years before trump even won the election, and the likely hood of him even competing in the election was next to nothing, because of all his all his outstanding court cases no one even expected him to even get elected. my friend said to me he will win the election, become president, and he said he had a dream, where he saw him become president again , where he was selling Ukraine to be sold out to the highest bidder when hes president of the USA again.

My friend said That's look like what's is happening now Ukraine is being sold out by trump which he says is about peace but he's favoring Putin's idea to surrender land, it could be wrong how he's interpreted the dream, but i wonder if he has seen his dream how he thought he saw it ? Trump has made a complete Mockery out of zelensky. Where as the UK are still fully supporting zelensky

My friend had told me other things like this in dreams that has happened way before things of happend, it strange to say the least.
 
Jordon said:
I'm from the UK so I don't read that much into it, but something has stuck out in my memory, it was about 1 years before trump even won the election, and the likely hood of him even competing in the election was next to nothing, because of all his all his outstanding court cases no one even expected him to even get elected. my friend said to me i he will win the election, become president and he said he had a dream where he see him become president where he was selling Ukraine to be sold out to the highest bidder when hes president of the USA again.

My friend said That's look like what's is happening now Ukraine is being sold out by trump which he says is about peace but he's favoring Putin's idea to surrender land, it's could be wrong how he's interpreted the dream but i wonder if he has seen his dream how he thought he saw it ? Trump has made a complete Mockery out of zelensky. Where as the UK are still fully supporting zelensky

My friend had told me other things like this in dream that has happened way before things of happend, it strange to say the least.
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Oh my gosh. I just don't have any real political situational awareness. It just isn't something that concerns my bank account. I have creditors but I'm not in debt. That's the extent to which I'll talk political reasons for things, and obviously since I'm not in ownership of massive student debt, I can forgive anyone who asks me about forbearance, loving kindness, not power. Power belongs to the throne of Heaven. The ark of the covenant speed.
 
Tex_MidwesternerNW said:
Oh my gosh. I just don't have any real political situational awareness. It just isn't something that concerns my bank account. I have creditors but I'm not in debt. That's the extent to which I'll talk political reasons for things, and obviously since I'm not in ownership of massive student debt, I can forgive anyone who asks me about forbearance, loving kindness, not power. Power belongs to the throne of Heaven. The ark of the covenant speed.
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lol your funny,

well all I can say is watch out who you pay your pension to and do proper checks of your statutory rights. Your credit can be stolen so it's best to have good policies like a good politician, they do exist good politicians.
 
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