We need a thread on righteousness. Christians are too obsessed with sin
Another Salvation Thread: Sin and Salvation
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We need a thread on righteousness. Christians are too obsessed with sin
I honest to God feel bad for you.
Deluded for all these years.
“Lord,Lord, did I not go 50 years without taking Your Name in vain? and didn’t lie? Ok, ok, a few small fibs, but I know you grade on a curve! And no adultery? Yeah there was that one girl I glanced at with a smidgen of lust, but surely that can’t count! And that post on CC, was that boasting? And yet, my buddies 82 Corvette was sweet! Coveting?”
Pathetic actually.
The difference is that the pharisee exalted himself above sinners and wasn't really doing the righteousness of God himself (fasting, tithing, meh).
Whereas that list you think is works of self-righteousness is what Paul said people who do such things won't enter the kingdom of heaven. You have such a bad case of work-phobia that you think works of righteousness are bad.
Romans 7 gives the answer. The quote is verses 18-25
"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with my mind I serve the law of God, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin."
The believer still has the flesh, where the principle of sin remains. So we have a choice, to live according to the flesh and so be bound by sin, or to live by the Spirit and so overcome.
There is no sin in the new, born again spirit. Confusing? I agree! This is why we need the Holy Spirit to make things clear to us.
As to Paul, "Chief of Sinners", he was looking back at the way he was before he was saved. He was also aware that the nature of sin still lived in his flesh. And that sinful nature is no better after we are saved than it was beforehand.
The Lord asked me a question some years ago. he said, "What is your righteousness?" I thought about it. "The best I can do," was my reply. The I remembered His word: my righteousness, the best I can do, is filthy rags to God.
The sin nature still exists. However, we are crucified with Christ. We die to sin. We are no longer compelled to live according to the nature of sin. It can take a while for this to sink in, as we are in the habit of sinning. Temptation comes regularly, often when we are weak. The question is, will we give in or stand our ground?
I spent some time with a much maligned pastor. He was an old style Pentecostal when that was considered evil by mainstream denominations. Someone asked him how he handled the criticism and condemnation. He replied, "You can't hurt a dead man". And that is the truth that so many Christians miss. Sin is still about, but we are dead to it.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you are still confused. I'll do my best to explain more clearly.
Wow, a believer who is superior to the apostle Paul. He called himself the chief of sinners. Please, continue to call out all us wicked people who have yet to arrive at your exalted position.
I'm sure that this forum is overloaded with murderers, thieves, liars and adulterers. Yes, judge and condemn them all! After all, you will be judged according to the way you judge others. That won't be a problem, will it? You are perfect. Or so you say.
"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted." Galatians 6:1
When Paul said it wasn't him sinning, he meant it wasn't his mind doing it. His mind willed to do good, but his fleshly longings were overriding the will of his mind. But it was still Paul sinning.
What the poster you responded to was referring to is the dissociative mental process that creates two identities, one good and one bad, and identifies with the good identity and dissociates from and rejects the bad identity as not himself. So when the person sins they absolve themselves of responsibilty because it wasn't the real them doing it.
I’m sorry this is very confusing my friend and I thank you for your response but to simplify things a bit let’s start with what Jesus said to the apostilles in the end.
He told them to spread His message and the summary of the Jewish customs which is like 620 customs or something which you call The Law and he told it to them into one sentence.
Love your God and love your neighbor.
With this simple sentence he summarized like 620 rules or whatever the number was.
Now, in the spirit of keeping things simple:
How can you love your neighbor by killing him, stealing his house and his wife and then EXPECT to go to Heaven?
Make this simple for me please.
The spirit is indwelled with the Holy Spirit. From this point, the spirit never sins, but the flesh nature, being human, does.
Since we have the Holy Spirit in our spirit, He will discipline and correct sin, so we could sin less.
Since we are human though..there is no guarantee we WILL be faithful believers.
Your question is really "what must I do to be saved" otherwise no explanation will suffice.
No Canadian that’s not my question.
My question is related to his contradiction in his two posts I posted earlier and this confusing post here which I’m asking him to explain.
This is like that episode with you again trying to fit-in by saying “I’m Italian” when I was speaking to a guy FROM Italy.
Yeah, I know, you are not really looking for an answer, your question has been asked by many, you are not the first.
It is based on pride, thinking you can outsmart the Gospel, good luck with that.
He is not contradicting himself, you just do not understand salvation but too prideful to admit it.
If you can’t speak English to explain it don’t blame the others for not reading your mind.
The cross is sufficient to pay for all sin debt, past present and future to those who believe in His work on our behalf.