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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    You know I meant 1 Peter 5:4. I’ve been bringing it up for several pages. Who is God’s fold in 1 Peter 5:4?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    There you go. You seem to have have Jewish and gentile Christians as seperate organisms under different programs. You just admitted it.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So who is Jesus a shepherd for in 2 Peter 5:4?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So you have two seperate groups of Jews becoming one fold, and the Gentiles who get saved are excluded? So the one fold are Jews and the Gentiles are a different organism or what?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Circumcision has NOTHING to do with the fact that Jesus loses none of His sheep, which is where this latest tangent started. You thought that the fact that Jesus loses none of His sheep was Calvinistic So your hyper war on Calvinism has caused you to put an artificial distinction between Jews...
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So the Jewish believers are kept by the power of God, but Gentile believers need no such keeping?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Is Jesus shepherd of Jewish believers but not of Gentile believers. If yes, is that not a distinction between the two? Where one group has a benefit that the other does not have.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Argument from silence fallacy. Paul knew that Jesus is Chief Shepherd, and he said in Christ there is no Jew or gentile.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    You still have a dividing wall between Jews and Gentiles IN THE CHURCH, because you say Christ is a shepherd for Jewish believers and not for Gentile believers. This is completely opposed to Paul. Or else you say Christ is no longer a shepherd at all. Which is in opposition to peter You’re...
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Peter and James did not put an artificial wall between Jew and Gentile. John did not write exclusively to Jews.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Is Jesus a shepherd for. a. All believers b. Only Jewish believers c. No one Pick one please
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    You mean I can only cite Paul? I don’t know. I thought Peter was writing to Christians. Question from post 1,162 still on the docket.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So who is Christ a shepherd for? A. Jews only B. All believers C no one.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    1 Peter 1:5 and 5:4. But you’re going to say they only apply to the Jews, and Paul’s writings are for us and James and Peter’s only apply to a Jews, right? you still want a fractured church Should I get circumcised and become a Jew so I can be kept by the power of God through faith?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So Jesus is shepherd of Jewish church and not of Gentile church. Ok, then.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Yes, we are kept by the power of God through faith. So we are kept. And Jesus is coming back as the chief shepherd. Sorry your theological system doesn’t have room for these.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Once again, you are removing a verse from its context and putting it in a different context. Exegetical no no
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    You never read Isaiah, did you?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Like a shepherd keeps His sheep. You believe He shepherds some but not others. How novel.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    I agree. But if you dont think Jesus keeps you or that He’s your shepherd, that’s your business.