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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Ok, so you’re saying that you’re not His sheep and he’s not your shepherd. Fine. I guess He doesn’t keep you either. You can have that view.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Where and when did Jesus say He was not sent but to Israel? In John 10? Who’s taking verses out of context?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Again, Jesus is speaking of a different time frame in John 10:16 from when He said I am not come but to the sheep of Israel He said I am not come but to the lost sheep of Israel BEFORE John 10:16. Way before. In John 10:16 he is speaking of future events. He will bring, they will hear, they...
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Jesus was speaking of bringing in sheep in future tense, not past or present Jesus is shepherd right now. Jesus is not shepherd of some Christians and not shepherd of others. The church is one body with one Chiefshepherd.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Jewish Christians who are part of the church. so you still have an unbiblical division between saved Jews and saved Gentiles, inasmuch as you say Jesus shepherds and keeps one group but not the other.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Jesus knew about it when He spoke in John 10:16.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So you hold that Christ is the shepherd of one group of believers and not of another. I could agree with you, but I’d be wrong.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So is Jesus a shepherd of Jewish believers and not of Gentile believers? I thought there was no difference in the church.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    So Jesus is right now a shepherd of Jewish believers but not a shepherd of gentile believers? You just reinserted a division between Jew and Gentile that Paul said was removed.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Someone forgot that there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile. So did Jesus stop being a shepherd or is there still a distinction? Jesus is a shepherd to Jewish believers and not to gentile believers (creating a division)? Or Jesus is not a shepherd anymore? Which is it?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Them also must I bring. (Future) They shall hear my voice. ( future) They shall be one flock. ( future). How many flocks does Jesus have?
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Except the first one.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    John 10:16. All the verbs are future tense. Hadn’t begun to be fulfilled yet. If the verbs were in present or past tense you would have a valid argument They’re not. So you don’t. Exegesis 101. Interpret gramatically
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    The events Jesus spoke of in John 10:16 are spoken as being future from that time.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Are the verbs in John 10:16 present or future tense verbs? Please answer.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Two groups, one being called presently in John 10:16 and the other which will be brought in in the future of John 10:16 becoming One fold under one shepherd- the church which is both Jews and Gentiles. Easy
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    To the Jew first and also to the Greek. The sheep that were the PRESENT fold in John 10:16 were Jewish believers. The sheep of the fold that He said would hear His voice IN THE FUTURE of John 10:16 were Gentiles. And they shall be one fold with one shepherd, THE CHURCH!!!
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Read Isaiah. It might help your confusion.
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    Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

    Is Jesus speaking in present tense or future tense in John 10:16?