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Yes, but the Apocalypse was written to the seven churches in Asia Minor. So John was an apostle to the gentiles too.

Doesn't answer the question, Hoss. You do know that Jesus did not exercise all of His Divine prerogatives, right? Like the fact that He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.

Category error. I am talking about something (foreknowledge before the foundation) that is found in other places in the Bible.

So if God chose them in time, does that mean He didn’t know He would choose them until He chose them? Foreknowledge and predestination.

God does not increase in knowledge. If He knows and chooses someone temporally, that would mean He did not know them before. That would be a god who grows in knowledge and sentience. Don’t know if we want to promote that concept of God.

Just because the phrase from the foundation is not there, that doesn’t mean anything. God didn’t say “ I am that I am before the foundation of the world” either. But He WAS!!

So God has to wait till you’re conceived to choose you? Well, you’re getting closer. And no she is not Paul, but she was known and loved before she was born too. And before the foundation of the world. God is not man. He is not limited by time. He knew us before time. We’re not talking’ bout...

Foreknowledge before conversion.

Correct. And a prerequisite for being an apostle is being saved. So TF can’t say “ that’s just regarding ministry, nothing to do with salvation”. If Paul was set apart to that ministry, it naturally follows that God foreknew Him as one of His eventual , if I may say it, converts. We are chosen...

What a funny question! What does God’s knowledge have to do with us? Everything.

So what does this prove? It is not contrary to anything I’ve said.

So He didn’t know who He would choose or how He would use those folks until they existed? Sounds kind of like how man chooses, not God.

Really? So He just plans on the fly? And He didn’t know what He would do through Paul and Moses, etc until it happened? How could an omniscient God not know who He was going to choose beforehand?

Enlarge by swiping it with both fingers. It’s really awesome.

Question. Are you saved because you sought God or because He came for you.

So you are attributing to God some kind of inability? Or what?

So God needs people to choose people, because He’s limited. I mean He’d have to be God to be able to do that.

I’m neither a Calvinist nor a universalist. Remember? Everyone who wills can be saved. The will is what gets in most people’s way. Their own will.

Oh, but you always say... “That was before the cross” So I’ll use your own argument against you.

Israel was chosen before they existed due to God’s covenant with the Fathers, sir. No one has ever been blessed with the blessings listed in Ephesians 1 before they were chosen. And that includes forgiveness and sealing of the Spirit. All of these things spring from/are according to what...