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    predestination vs freewill

    Unless you can list the verbs in Romans 8:29-30, you cannot teach the Bible.
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    Seeing that many english speaking/reading/ writing people who begin to learn Greek have to basically relearn English to learn Greek, your claims are amusing. I will ask again… please list the VERBS in Romans 8:29-30 from YOUR Bible (if you dare)
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    Good verse. By the You don’t have to speak Greek to translate. Only a person who never studied Greek would say that.
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    I agree:)
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    Yes, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Christ Jesus is a valid interpretation, but the righteousness of God is still unto all and upon all that believe on Him Romans 4:3-5 expands on this Yet, it is true that only Christ’s righteousness saves. Only His work has merit. So we...
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    When were we chosen, according to Ephesians 1:5? And what are the various ways the preposition “in” used in the scriptures?
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    I fully agree with the statement that Christ’s righteousness is the basis for our justification. Yet Romans 3:22 teaches a righteousness of God through faith for all who believe. So Christ is the only basis and grounds for being righteous with God, but that righteousness is applied to all who...
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    Whhich English translation do you prefer and how does Romans 8:29 read in that translation?
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    You don’t have to be a master to know what proorizo means or to know it is in the Bible. Which Greek text of Romans 8:29-30 does not have this word?
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    I used to be an Arminian, and Arminians believe in predestination and foreknowledge ( though they define them differently than Calvinists and others). I don’t know how people say predestination is not in the Bible when it is right there in black and white print.
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    predestination vs freewill

    I am not a Calvinist, but I can assure you, (having studied it very closely) that Calvinists believe in justification by faith. They hold strongly to sola Fidei. I don’t think you understand Calvinism. I used to think similar to how you think. I realized that I had misrepresented them. I don’t...
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    predestination vs freewill

    Well, I have had some formal training in Greek ( though I do not claim to be a scholar).
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    predestination vs freewill

    The whole discussion about Jesus’ testing is a little of topic. I am not interested in red herrings. The topic is predestination vs free will, (which btw is a false dichotomy, but ok).
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    Please list the VERBS, in English or Greek, that are in Romans 8:29-30
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    Translating the Greek New Testament is not the same as speaking and writing conversational modern Greek
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    I studied Greek in Bible college and I have a Greek New Testament I read pretty regularly. I am not a scholar, but I know enough to use it in exegesis.
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    We were giving basically the same answer at the same time (y)
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    Called/ (kaleo). Foreknown. (Proginosko.) Predestined. (Proorizo). Three verbs all there in the text.
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    I hold to the impeccability of Christ. :) God bless