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This thread has been going for a while now. Is there a Calvinist on here who can answer the challenge ? Just one verse that SAYS what they believe? Surely there's one to get the ball rolling? And i don't mean inference. I don't mean " well the sheep hear his voice ....or " well lazurus...

Then help with verses that SAY what calvinists believe . As yet we don't have any ?

The burden is on you . Your the one positively claiming regeneration precedes faith . Which verse says this please. Not inference but actually says this?

No your doing exactly what the Catholic do when they tell you the church is built on Peter, when they tell you about the eucharist, when they tell you about Mary . They do exactly what your doing . They also cannot take you to a verse that SAYS what they believe.

Turn the tables. challenge me on what I claim and I.ll show you the verse which SAYS what I believe. The bible is amazing in that God intended to speak directly.

Still waiting for a verse ( just one ) that SAYS ' cannot believe ' ?

Its because is not coming from what the bible ' says ' . Not one time does the bible SAY what they teach . They don't expect it to either, its because they do not believe the bible. The system dictates. Its quite astonishing .

No, and I'm not sure you understand ? A verse that SAYS what you are claiming . All your doing is claiming , assuming and inferring. ( the heart beat of Calvinism. ) Its kinda pointless further discussing if you don't understand the point . I literally believe what the bible is Saying . You...

Could you give a verse that says regeneration precedes faith please ? is this too much to ask . Were not asking for a verse that says the trinity or some other complicated idea . No this is a basic essential verse if one exists . Then could we have a verse that says grace is irresistible?

You mean God pleases God ?

I only want to believe what the bible actually says . This is the gulf between bible believers and Calvinists.

Amen .

I'm taking about ' regeneration precedes faith ' This is your faulty assumption. Where is the verse ? Where is the verse that says repentence is withheld?

when it comes to pleasing God, a man has to exercise faith in what God told him to do (Heb. 11:6). In this dispensation, God told men to believe on Jesus Christ for salvation (John 6:29). So simple .

Abraham was never regenerated. Did he obey God? If you believe he was regenerated ( born again) which verse ?

This is classic calvinist thinking. Your literally taught this method and think its perfectly acceptable to infer all the time . Do you think God is pleased when a believer behaves carnally ( fleshy ) ?

After a person is saved. Then they please God. In the flesh , God is not pleased by a person in the flesh . When they believe ( faith comes by hearing) then God is pleased . 1 cor 1.21 21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it PLEASED God by the foolishness...

lol look how your adding to the text ? ' Cannot believe ' . Stop adding to the text .

HIS !!! Faith in the OT . HIS !!

HIS faith .HIS !!