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The elect have been chosen and placed in Christ by the Father before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: God gave them grace in Christ before the world...

renewed I never said that, thats your manipulation tatic, however Faith is the evidence, proof that Christ died for that certain individual, it proves they were a child of promise, a spiritual seed of Abraham Gal 3:7-9 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the...

Was made a Life giving Spirit ! 1 Cor 15:45 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. The Last Adam was made a Life Giving Spirit, thats what the word quickening means, Life giving, for if we recall, Jesus said on...

renewed Whats blasphemous is teaching that sinners Christ died for, and put away their sins before the Justice of God, is to teach that they still go to hell in their sins anyway ! False statement. And since you do realize the the whole world isnt going to be saved, you cannot believe that...

renewed quoted Again this verse proves that the one believing had been born of God. So does Jn 1:12-13 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh...

It doesnt have to appear. The world is any gathering together of any sort. Its the greek word kosmos and means: any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort The gathering togerther of all the elect of God, or children of God Jn 11:51-52 51 And this spake he not of himself...

renewed Thats false, Jesus was speaking here Matt 23:23 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other...

renewed quotes Sorry that verse doesnt say believing isnt a work. And again believing is the fruit of being born again. So the one believing there is one who has been born of God, who has eternal life in them Jn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that...

renewed Here this, you make anything you do or dont do a condition for salvation, or Justification before God, it defaults to law keeping works salvation.

renewed We different, you believe faith is found in the sinful nature of man, hence a good quality natural man has, I believe faith is found as a fruit of the Spirit, found only in the regenerate man. So your faith, being found in the sinful nature of man, is a work , something man does out...

renewed The law of moses was derived from the law of creation. Why you think Paul wrote in Rom 2:13-15 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law[of moses], do by nature the things...

renewed Here you go with the race card. Sure the book of hebrews was written to hebrew believers, but the truths about Christ and salvation applied beyond them and was applicable to all believers regardless of race. Jesus isnt the High Priest just for hebrew christians, but for all chrisitans...

renewed False, The verse shows us who specifically Jesus came to save, the seed of Abraham, His Church, those who belonged to Him Gal 3:29 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. All believers are Abrahams seed, and were heirs to whom the...

renewed Thats false and heresy. He took on flesh and blood, humanity. Scripture plainly says He took on the same as His elect brother and sisters Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he...

renewed Thats correct, and He will save the seed of Abraham out of all nations of men Rev 5:9 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and...

renewed Christ took on flesh and blood, do you deny that ? Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; The emphasis is on...

renewed I know what partakers mean, dont change nothing. I know that all men naturally come out of Adam, Yet all men naturally arent the seed of Abraham. God seperated the seed of Abraham from the rest of mankind Deut 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he...

renewed Again, all those scriptures refer to Gods elect !

renewed You scoff at the doctrine of limited atonement and call it by the name of a man, yet its the Gospel you are scoffing at friend.

renewed Yes I said it, and meant it. There is no Gospel of Gods Grace without preaching the Limited effectual atonement.