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  1. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    No one who is thrown into the lake of fire is created, as they will have already existed in life. They will not cease to be who they were in life. There are no scriptures that would even suggest this.
  2. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Hello RevelationMan, I would have to humbly disagree. Sheol/Hades is a temporary place of punishment, a kind of holding cell, preceding to the lake of fire. After the rich man died his spirit went to Sheol/Hades where he was in torment in flame. The context tells us that he knew who he was, he...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Complete loss of well being, ruination. The meaning is that the person who is thrown into the lake of fire suffers complete loss of well being while existing. Completely and eternally ruined. No, I did not say 'both A and B will suffer the same degree of punishment. What I did say was "Once...
  4. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    ================================================================== (Part 2) 7. The bride had a water immersion, which is a ritual of cleansing. This indicates a separation from a former way to a new way of life. In the case of marriage, it indicates leaving an old life for a new life with your...
  5. Ahwatukee

    What is your BEST PROOF for a pre-trib Rapture?

    Hello Melach! Jesus was a Jew and the gathering of the church is modeled after the Jewish marriage process, from betrothal to the actual marriage. Here is a description of it: ========================================= (part 1) 1. The selection of the bride. The bride was usually chosen by...
  6. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    No, the word cannot be interpreted to mean annihilation, which is why I listed the definition of the word right in the post so that you could read it. Here is the scriptural example that I gave you before: "When He got into the boat, His disciples followed Him. Suddenly a violent storm came up...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Using the true meaning of the word apollumi translated as destroy, this is what the scripture is saying: "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can eternally ruin both soul and body in hell. It is the translated English word 'destroy'...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Yes, but you continue to ignore my posts regarding the Greek word apollumi translated as 'destroy.' The word does not mean annihilation or extinction. You are reading the English word 'destroy' and applying the meaning of obliterated or annihilated, instead of the true meaning of the Greek word...
  9. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Read the parable for yourself and what Jesus says at the end of the parable. Sin debt reinstated = 'In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed.' For believers with unforgiving spirits Jesus says: "That is how My Heavenly Father...
  10. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Then, if there are no direct scriptures, how can you come to the conclusion that those who are thrown into the lake of fire are eventually burned up? That would be an assumption, pure conjecture. However, we do have scriptures that directly say that wicked will suffer everlasting fire, eternal...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Correct! It is a parable about we as believers who have been forgiven our great debt of sin against God. And since we have been forgiven our great debt, then we should forgive fellow believers when they want to be forgiven, which is far, far, less than our debt to God. Parables use symbolism...
  12. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    So, where in scripture did you get the idea that after the wicked are tormented they are then destroyed? There is no such scripture. The spirits of human beings are also eternal, which is what you are not understanding. Whether angel or human, both will suffer eternal torment in the lake of...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    "Then the master (God) summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! (believer) I forgave all your debt (sin) because you begged me. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should...
  14. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Lets go with your original rendition. The way you look at it... There are two audiences.. 1. Thoee who will recieve vengeance 2. Those who will see hos glory. There's no other way to see it...like the separation of goat and sheep. Mat 25:31-33 KJV 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    I'm amazed that you are even asking that question. The servant in the parable, which is representing the believer, was brought before the king who is representing God who forgave the servant all that he owed him, which in the parable represents our sin. After the servant/believer went out, he...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    And don't brush by the other part of the verse. Here is the proper rendering: "who will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power" It's talking about the wicked being separated from the presence of the Lord. Please stop trying...
  17. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    The unforgiving servant in Matthew 18 teaches that, the multitude of sins of a servant were forgiven and then reinstated because after God forgave him for all his debt (sin), he would not forgive for his fellow servant (believer) for his sin which he committed against him. Jesus then finishes...
  18. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    "He will inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might, on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with...
  19. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    I am not saying that everyone is suffering the same. As I said previously, I don't know how God is going to carry out the different degrees of punishment, because nothing is written about it. That information is just not listed in scripture, so I can't expound on it.
  20. Ahwatukee

    Life after death.

    Obviously the first death is referring to the physical body, which includes the soul/spirit being separated from God. The second death is the final judgment and separation from God in the Lake of fire. Believers in Christ throughout the history have experienced the first death, however, as...