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I was with you until that last few points, which I disagree with. Nevertheless I was thinking about Hades/Sheol and Hell and how this could be likened to a system on earth. It is similar to Jail and Prison. When a crime is committed of a serious enough nature you are arrested and put in Prison...

Checkmate.

The John 8v31 was belief, but when Jesus explained what belief really meant, that is to TURN FROM SIN (v34-36) they took offense. We have the same debate here day in and day out.

If Noah was shipwrecked, we wouldn't be here today.

Yup agreed. But if it is the truth, would you not want to know, as opposed to putting head under the sand? I would rather know.

Romans 13 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any...

Hebrews 10v25b has a little treasure which has escaped scrutiny up until now. Since v26 is a verse with much substance, and many bibles make a paragraph split at this point, we can be forgiven for missing quite an important connection with verse 25b. Lets look at it: v25b but exhorting one...

Your words betray you. You WANT me to point fingers. This is clear from how you approach this. That is clear for all to see.

You are not wrong. What you have from the detractors is IMPUTATION of WORKS BASED SALVATION as a means of muddying the waters around what we are saying. A tactic to deflect.

Your attempt at goading shows your heart.

Who is pointing fingers. I am just stating fact. Judge yourselves.

Ok lets deal with this bot by bit. Starting with the starting assertion: You imply that a wicked man, when he dies, is under no further punishment. Now I refer you to your RED highlighted section above. Now my counter scripture to you (starting at the very beginning): Genesis 2 16 And the...

Hi Enxu, it is not about convincing them. There is at any one stage 5x to 10x readers on the forum as compared to contributing members. There are people searching out what Christianity is about. It is for this reason. Otherwise I would have dusted the feet and moved on long ago (y)

Romans 5 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. - sin cannot be imputed to the child (even though its in the child's nature from birth through the bloodline), because the child has no consciousness of this sin. It has not slain the conscience...

I have not seen anybody here on these forums posting that it is the other way around.

When the church age comes to it's conclusion (Rapture of the Church) the fullness of the Gentiles will have come in. Israel's eyes will be opened to whom the Messiah is. This is what is meant by this. God has not forgotten about them.

Applied to Corporate Israel. Read the whole action of that passage. On account of God's promises to the forefathers, he will not forget his chosen people. It has Zero to do with individual election in this piece.

Ofcourse children go to the Lord. They have not sinned against their conscience. Look at what Paul writes: Romans 7 NKJV 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. Romans 7 Amplified 9 I was once alive without [knowledge of] the Law; but when...

I don't think you are on the wrong track. I can't comment on all of these above, but I have enjoyed edifying teachings by Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards and Matthew Henry. All very good. If I could also point you to A.W.Tozer (in the last century) you would certainly be blessed by his...

Amen brother Luke 3 NKJV 7 Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you...