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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    You have nothing in the scriptures that says the “partaking of the Holy Spirit does not mean in dwelling of the Holy Spirit.” How do you know that? Does God say that ? No. That is just your opinion; your idea and a way to “get around “ a fact that would destroy your man made doctrine...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    It was The Holy Spirit who said they had been partakers of Him. Not me. Can an unsaved person have the Holy Spirit?? Is that what you believe? You are saying an UNSAVED person, who is living in sin, has never repented of his sins, has never confessed Christ, who we don’t know if they even...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    It has always seemed a very convenient doctrine to me to say of the Christian’s who return to sin, “ They never had truly saving faith anyway.” WASN'T it YOU, who said to me, “ I have grave doubts that anyone here is of the caliber of deity, for even Satan himself can’t see into the hearts...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Have you read Hebrews 6:4-6? “For it is IMPOSSIBLE, for those who were once ENLIGHTENED, and have TASTED THE HEAVENLY GIFT, and have become PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT and have TASTED THE GOOD WORD OF GOD , and the powers of the age to come, if THEY FALL AWAY, to renew them again to repentance...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I am so sorry about the way that post turned out. I knew it was going to be confusing. I didn’t realize how it would be presented until I hit that “post reply” button. I am a “SENIOR” senior citizen 😊.and some of this technology is still difficult for my generation. I learned my lesson...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Read the context to see who are the ones the Father gives to Him. Verse 37- All the Father gives him are the ones who “COME TO ME”. Those, He said, He would not cast out. Read the next verse—verse 40–Everyone who believes in Him may have everlasting life. “And I will raise Him up at the last...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I wasn’t aware that I “proclaimed with certainty” any definition of the word “if”. I don’t need to. The MEANING IS VERY clear to even the most “simple minded person that there is a “condition”if you want to reign with Christ; and he tells you what it is—ENDURANCE. Just like the sentence...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Have no idea what you are talking about —??
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Those are good questions—hard—but good. I will try my best to give you book, chapter, and verse for my answers. I checked my Bible app to be sure I got all God has to say about this so I will give you all the info I have on hand. My first thought was that only the saved got their names in...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    , post: 5353743, member: 305060"]I fail to understand how you arrived at the thought that I was saying that the hay, wood and stubble would be saved. You know you are right!! I totally missed what you were saying. You see Paul was speaking to the PEOPLE he and Apollos converted verse 5. In...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    2 Timothy 2:11 starts off by saying “This is a FAITHFUL SAYING.” And then he quotes the “saying.” Verse 12–IF we ENDURE we shall reign with him ( in heaven). That makes salvation CONDITIONAL! The word “IF” at the beginning of that statement says it all. If salvation is conditional there is...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    That scripture does NOT teach that the “wood, hay, and stubble” will be saved. The fire is called a fire of testing because it will show which one will be saved and which ones will be lost. It says each one’s work will be “REVEALED” by the fire whether it will “endure” or be burned up. Verses...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I fail to see how these scriptures teach once you are saved, you can’t be lost. I assume you know the rest of the story?? God was very patient with these people—up to a point! But if you know the WHOLE story of these same people you are saying can’t be lost—then you know that God DID KILL...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    That is a lot of “opinion” and NO SCRIPTURE.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    That is a lot of “opinion” and no scripture. 1Thess. 5:21.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I agree and believe you are 100% right. The evidence in the scriptures is there—some just refuse to believe it.