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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    1 Thess.. 5:21- “Prove” all things. NO “PROOF” NO SCRIPTURE NOTHING
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Yes, all of His disciples were Jews but not all of the Jews were His disciples.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    It is a mistake to take one verse all by itself and not the whole Bible. YOU said and I quote, “ Christ laid down His life ONLY for His friends - not for everyone.” Not true! —-2 Corinthians 5:15 says that “CHRIST DIED FOR ALL.” ——Roman’s 5:6- “CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY.” ——Roman’s 5:8-...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    There is not a word in this whole discourse about “Israel”. From chapter 13 through chapter 17 He is talking to His disciples. How can you just make these things up? Don’t you read the text? Once again, in 15:2, He says “EVERY BRANCH IN ME”. These are people “IN CHRIST” that He is talking...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Where is the scripture that teaches predestination. (according to John Calvin’s definition of predestination? ) Where is the scripture that says predestination is the only way salvation can be by grace. This is only according to YOU. You need scriptural proof. John Calvin is not proof that it...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Amen!! Good points! Let God be true and every man a liar.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Because the Bible does not teach that people can only repent if they are already saved. Show me the scripture that says that. Peter told the Jews in Acts 2 to repent and they were not saved! They were the ones who crucified Jesus! It does not matter what you think about Simon’s ability to...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Jesus is speaking to his apostles! Read the context all the way back to chapter 13:22 and through chapter 15. Most of the things he says in these chapters can be applied to everyone but some cannot. Like verse 27, Jesus says “you have been with me from the beginning.” Have YOU BEEN WITH...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I think your mistake is in not making a difference between a life of unrepented sin and a sin that you repent of. In Acts 8, Simon the Sorcerer had just believed and was baptized, (saved) when he sinned by thinking he could buy the Holy Spirit. Peter told him”your money PERISH with you. Then...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Roman’s 6 is talking to Christian’s who according to verses 3-4 had been baptized into Christ. He says in verse 6 that they had been @slaves to sin”. But they were “NO LONGER SLAVES TO SIN.” Paul says they HAD BEEN SLAVES TO SIN. If they did not have “free will” they could not have CHANGED FROM...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Why are you so focused on the fruit. It can’t be any plainer. Just read what Jesus said— verse 4- you abide in me; because the branch ( that’s us) CAN NOT bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine! Neither can YOU bear fruit unless YOU abide or STAY in the vine WHO IS CHRIST. If you...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Let’s look at John 10:22-31. the argument has been made on this site that the saved cannot be lost because Jesus says in verse 28 that He gives His sheep eternal life and no one is able to snatch them out of His hand. That is absolutely true. However, that does not mean that WE cannot remove...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Yes, God is the one who “Cast them off” BUT the branch IS the one who decides to “Stay” or “ABIDE” in Him. He tells them to ABIDE IN HIM IN VERSE 4. (YOU) ABIDE IN ME… and the idea is, if you do, I will abide in you. It all depends on whether or not they are going to “ABIDE “. In Him. VERSE 6...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    No. I do not feel trapped and there is nothing in me that wants to “get out of salvation.” I am glad to be sealed with the Holy Spirit. But that has nothing to do with whether a person can FALL FROM GRACE. Galations 5:4 states specifically that YOU CAN FALL FROM GRACE. No one said anything...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    John 15 Verse 2- “Every branch “IN ME” the branches Jesus says are IN HIM! “Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit-“. So some people IN CHRIST are not living good lives. “Every branch (PEOPLE) IN ME (saved) that does not bear fruit (sinful) HE TAKES AWAY. AWAY FROM WHERE? Away from...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    As long as we have “free will” we can choose to remove ourselves from God. Otherwise, we are FORCED to be saved whether we want to or not. God wants people to be WILLING servants, not HELD AGAINST OUR WILL. The saved in the New Testanent who FELL AWAY, fell away because of their own choices...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    That is the point! When they fall into sin and reject Christ they are NOT saved when they are in that state. Who gives YOU the right to say they were NEVER SAVED IN THE Frst PLACE? Did God tell you that? Do you read those words inHebrews 6– ANYWHERE? Well, if God didn’t say so and Hebrews...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Really?? Hebrews 6:4-6 is “talking about it is impossible to be born again after being born again?????” I think I have reached Matthew 7:6. folks. Those who want the “truth” can clearly “see” the truth of God’s word. Those who don’t want to “see”, never will. They be blind leaders of the...