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  1. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    They do misrepresent other people's positions to a high degree. It strains the bounds of common logic to believe it to be accidental.
  2. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    The gospel and Spirit are sufficient for all. They simply aren't effectual for all.
  3. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Don't stop talking to the lost. Never know when God might show up.
  4. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Can you give an example of this? I keep hearing this, but when I go through the threads asking for prayer and advice and help, I see them filled with those of the reformed faith offering help.
  5. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    I've never said God saves anyone against their will. Another strawman argument from you. And God not saving all of Israel was to show that salvation is not through natural birth, but supernatural.
  6. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    This isn't about salvation, but a change in leadership. Look at the similarities of this and God coming to Moses in the burning bush.
  7. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    So you admit that God elected Israel to salvation while leaving out most people, and you have a problem with Him continuing such a practice. And yes, lost sheep. Not lost goats. And the sheep are distinguished as those that hear His voice and follow Him. So only some, not all, can hear His...
  8. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    If one believes, then they already possess the faith for what they believe. Faith in Christ is effected by the word and the Spirit. This means that faith comes by the working of God before belief. Why is it so hard to believe we are saved by grace through faith? And that it is not of ourselves...
  9. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Try another way. God chose Israel out of all the nations in the OT and largely only brought salvation to them. Do you have a problem with God almost exclusively saving Jews?
  10. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Which comes first: believing or faith?
  11. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    pfs...who has said grace is coercive but your side? Grace is liberating, not restrictive. The nature of fallen man is restrictive.
  12. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    No. It's the explanation for why God effects salvation as He does. Not admitting what is actually true of fallen man is what causes the confusion.
  13. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    That's the crux of the matter: what is true of fallen man? How one answers this question will determine what is necessary to save him.
  14. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Or how unfair we are actually wanting the questions we ask to be answered.
  15. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Jesus said that the church is built through the revelation of the Father of the person of the Lord Jesus Christ...Matthew 16. How then do you say revelation isn't necessary?
  16. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Answer avoidance. God chose one people and not all the others. The reason is as you say. It fulfilled God's purpose to do so. Any problem with God acting this way?
  17. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Ninevah was the only other nation? You make my point. Salvation was almost exclusively of the Jews. Now actually answer the question I asked: do you have a problem that God brought salvation almost exclusively to Israel?
  18. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    No "she" didn't, and she didn't deliberately.
  19. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    The gospel is sufficient in that it is all the Spirit need employ to effect salvation. I'll ask you too. Do you have a problem with God that He chose Israel out of all the nations of the earth to be His people and that salvation in the OT was almost exclusively from that nation?
  20. Cameron143

    Understanding God’s election

    Do you have a problem with God choosing the nation Israel out of all the nations of the earth and restricting salvation to them almost exclusively in the OT?