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Yes. Can you explain the difference between election and selection?

I understand. And I'm happy to share it with you, but when definitions aren't established, people begin talking apples and oranges. So we're on the same page, I'm trying to get a common understanding of freewill. I can almost assure you that our definitions will be different and part of the...

Someone who professes that even if God kills him he will trust Him and knows that his Redeemer lives long before the cross doesn't possess faith?

I'll tell you once I have a working definition from another poster. I'm trying not to influence the terms we use in arguing whether freewill exists.

Nice. As simple as it may seem, people do not know what freewill is.

You don't believe Job already had faith. His first response to the trial was worship, he makes a declaration of faith in 13:15 and again in 19:25. He sounds pretty solid to me.

I would prefer you just use your own words. I'll assume you are basing your answers on your understanding of scripture. I could define it for you, but I'm trying to make my argument employing your terms, and am asking for a definition from you so that any conclusions we arrive at come as a...

You are preaching to the choir sis. I am a God-hating maligner of God who is preaching a false heretical gospel spewing hatred and keeping people out of the kingdom of God according to some.

That describes conditions in which you believe freewill exists. What is freewill?

There is a lot of projection that occurs on this site.

My point was that a good case can be made that Job was already in a saving relationship with God, and the purpose of the trial was for God to reveal Himself more deeply and intimately to Job.

Typical answer. You are doing something wrong, nonsequitor response, and restatement of original premise. Rinse and repeat.

We're coming to this. Just laying some groundwork so people can come to conclusions themselves.

Let's begin with your premise concerning freewill. Can you define freewill?

Faith comes by hearing

Is the hearing of the ear sufficient for salvation?

pfs...please show the post where someone has called God evil.

Jesus was chosen to be God's preeminent servant to proclaim and provide salvation. Believers are chosen "in" Him. So unless Jesus was chosen in Himself, our election, though tied to His, is a distinct election.

You know the answer. But if you answer it will undermine your understanding of God. So rather than see God fully and as He actually is and adjusting your understanding of God, you would rather push a partial view of God. This in itself is disingenuous.

We do what we believe; we don't believe what we do. In other words, what we believe influences what we do. If someone says they believe something, but do not act on it, then they don't actually believe as they say. This is the point James is making. A person can say they believe something but if...