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Moses waited 40 years before he was ready to lead the people out of Egypt. Joshua and Caleb waited 40 years before they could enter the promised land. There is a reason to waiting no matter how long it takes. Basically you have a choice as we all do, believe your thoughts or believe the word of...

I agree we get to choose if we believe Him or not but we don't get to choose what God determines to do with those who believe. He is the One who has determined that and He has chosen to save those who believe in Him and once God has acted, no-one can undo it. If you don't think God is in charge...

I am not jabbing at you. I am making on observation based on your responses to what I say. You keep making statements that don't correlate with what I have said and you have not given a single answer to the verses that I raise regarding never dying, or never being cast out or being indwelt by...

Again, I never said you didn't understand the Bible, I said you don't seem to understand what I am saying. I'm not the Bible mate. As far as I'm concerned your responses keep confirming my observation.

They have a sin nature because of Adam, yes. They die because of Adam, yes. They have no sinful acts of their own.

A bit touchy aren't we? I made no insult. Your response made no sense to me in relation to what I was saying and I made an observation. I said, it seemed you didn't understand. Stop taking everything so personal. It does not say the believer will die spiritually which is what must occur for...

They had a sin nature because of Adam, yes. They died because of Adam, yes. They had no knowledge in order to commit any sin of their own. You appear to keep insisting that the babies have personally sinned when the verse clearly states they are sinners on the basis of Adam's sin. By one man all...

And if that is to mean He will spit them right into the lake of fire then He lied when He said He will never cast us aside. You can't have it both ways. He either never lets us go or being spit out of His mouth does not mean what you are trying to make it mean. John 6:37 All that the Father...

Then I guess you didn't read what I said close enough because I didn't say I understood the full counsel of God , I said I look at it and compare verses with verses I don't just pick out the ones that suit me. Not once have you given an explanation of how one can extricate themself from the...

Only according to your understanding. :)

Do you know what that can look like? Do you assume it can only be one who denies Christ and does nothing but live an immoral life?

And you may have to stop with your hypocrisy as once again you are making it personal. If you're still struggling with the basics you can't move on to maturity. Heb.6:1-3 1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again...

You both keep making salvation a work. It is a gift. Learning to walk in obedience to the truth is what affirms and works out in your life the salvation you have been freely given. You both keep turning God into a two faced giver who takes His gift back the moment you squander it.

The point I made seemed to go over your head. I quote: Verse 12 is saying we are debtors (for our life) to the Spirit, if you are not in the Spirit, you are not God's and will die. Because the flesh did not gives us life we cannot expect to live by it and live the Spirit filled life. Anyone...

And to clarify, I do not believe a person can rebel against God and be saved. They might rebel against the Church, but not God. There are those who pretend they are saved or who think they are saved but are not, but no true rebel is saved.

And the only way a person can live as a Christian is to be saved. If one does not obey the Gospel, they're not saved. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. (Rom.1:16) The Gospel is that Christ died for our sin and rose from the dead. (1Cor.15:3&4) Those who believe the Gospel are saved...

Yes, Adam's sin caused them to be sinners and die not their sin, for babies have no works to be judged.

Yes, just as through the one man those in Him, are made alive. You wouldn't argue it is our righteousness at work making us alive and yet you want to argue it is the babies sin that is causing it's death. Nor have you been able to show of what sin a baby is guilty. What act could you possibly...

Yes we all sinned through one man, Adam.

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It...