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Agreed. Our sin only confirms we are sinners (having the nature of a sinner), it is not what causes us to be sinners.

Strewth! One minute it's God torturing and now it's gentle discipline. :ROFL: Make your mind up what is happening or admit you have no idea what I mean.

Because some of us look at the whole counsel of God and not cherry pick verses. Christ will not let you go so how do you propose to get away from Him? You have been adopted as God's child, how do you propose to nullify His work? You have been made alive and cannot die and have been made to...

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It...

You don't seem to have understood what I said. A Christian cannot live habitually in sin. That's the point of what Paul is saying. Those who do, don't belong to God and it's not a matter of they were saved but then not saved. The Father only disciplines His children. Unbelievers are convicted...

Severed from fellowship like a child being sent to their room. Doesn't make them not belong to their parents. Fallen from the power source (grace) that enables you to walk the holy life you have been given. You need to remember, it's not your life you are living, it is Christ's life in you...

You can't even discern why people go to hell (aka lake of fire). Here's a clue. It's not because of their sin, the wages of sin is death, not the lake of fire. It's because they are locked into death with no escape and death is eventually thrown into hell. We get hell by proxy, not as a direct...

What reasoning? ;) He's gone into his parrot mode again which he does when he can't put up a reasonable refutation.

Then please tell us what sin an hour old baby commits? It is impossible for it to even have a concept of sin, let alone commit a sin. It dies because it inherited Adam's sin, not because of it's own sin. This is what your verse is saying. We are all sinners even before we commit any personal...

We are all a Work in Progress. In many ways, irrespective of one's motive for contending, it enables us all to learn how to love one another and sorts the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. 1 Corinthians 11:19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s...

See my post above #234. :)

No, they did not commit any sin, they inherited a sin nature from their parents going all the way back to Adam. Everyone is to be evaluated/judged on their works. A baby has no works to be judged. For believers: 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that...

The irony is, the only way I can take note is to be alive in Christ in the first place. If I were not saved, most of God's word would go straight over my head. (1Cor.2:14) :)

Again telling me what I can and can't do when it really means I'm not being like you. Here's some news you may have missed. I have no intention of being like you, I desire and my only desire, is to be like Christ. I am reading the text correctly as I have learned from one who knows the Greek...

What are you talking about? These people never lost their salvation, they never had salvation to begin with. :confused: Those who never get on the right train, never head in the right direction. False assurance doesn't guarantee salvation anymore than your belief salvation can be lost...

No, you're thinking I'm saying that because you can't see past your own thinking. It has gone over your head the times I spoke of our responsibility to walk by means of grace, in the truth with the filling of the Holy Spirit and what happens if you don't walk according to God's plan.

Again with the personal assumptions. What's more, that statement really means "you don't think as I do". Yes, and our salvation is maintained by grace not your legalistic approach to staying alive. How long do you think the everlasting life we have been given actually lasts? It seems not very...

I'm not sure I am reading you right. If you think we can lose our salvation then read the next paragraph. If you're don't think we can lose our salvation then you can stop reading here and ignore the next bit. :) Saved again? You are essentially saying Christ, who died for our sin, wasn't...

I would have said an emphatic no to that once but I foster for the local animal shelter and they gave me Monte to look after. He won my heart like few cats can. If I was in a better position for long term care, I would have adopted him. :love: So, in answer to your question, there are some good...

They died physically just as you will does that mean you're ungodly? The truth is you have no idea of the state of their soul and we only have you're word you are a believer so maybe you're real purpose for being here is to condemn/confuse others? John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the...