Do stillborns and deceased babies go to 'hell'

[JohnRH]

... drowning is a horrible death

Drowning is a cakewalk compared to hell.
Not a one of those babies went to hell because sin isn't imputed when there's no law.

 

[brightfame52]

Then please tell us what sin an hour old baby commits? It is impossible for it to even have a concept of sin, let alone commit a sin.

It dies because it inherited Adam's sin, not because of it's own sin. This is what your verse is saying. We are all sinners even before we commit any personal sin of our own because we are imputed with Adam's sin and inherit his corruption in the flesh.

Adam's sin passed on death to all of us and that guarantees we will commit our own sin but you have to know right from wrong before you can be held accountable for your sin.

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[brightfame52]

Drowning is a cakewalk compared to hell.
Not a one of those babies went to hell because sin isn't imputed when there's no law.

If they werent elect, they went to hell as ungodly sinners.

 

[tourist]

2 Pet 2:5

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

No mention whatsoever about babies.

 

[brightfame52]

No mention whatsoever about babies.

They were part of that ungodly world

 

[tourist]

They were part of that ungodly world

We are done here. I will not respond further.

 

[sawdust]

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean. The verse is squarely placing the blame of everyone becoming a sinner on "one man", that man being Adam.

I notice you can't tell me what sin those babies committed. What's the problem? Don't you remember what sin you committed when you were born to make you a sinner and subject to death?

I don't think you comprehend we sin because we are sinners, not our sin makes us sinners.

 

[JTB]

I think when we talk about sin we need to separate the 'nature', from the 'act'., from the 'accountability'

What we inherited from Adam was a sinful nature. But we do not commit sin until we act according to that nature. And we are not accountable for that sin until we understand right and wrong.

 

[sawdust]

I think when we talk about sin we need to separate the 'nature', from the 'act'., from the 'accountability'

What we inherited from Adam was a sinful nature. But we do not commit sin until we act according to that nature. And we are not accountable for that sin until we understand right and wrong.

Agreed. Our sin only confirms we are sinners (having the nature of a sinner), it is not what causes us to be sinners.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean. The verse is squarely placing the blame of everyone becoming a sinner on "one man", that man being Adam.

I notice you can't tell me what sin those babies committed. What's the problem? Don't you remember what sin you committed when you were born to make you a sinner and subject to death?

I don't think you comprehend we sin because we are sinners, not our sin makes us sinners.

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[sawdust]

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean. The verse is squarely placing the blame of everyone becoming a sinner on "one man", that man being Adam.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, we all have sinned by virtue of having Adam's sin imputed to us. We are all held guilty on the basis of Adam's sin. Even if no-one else ever committed their own sin, we would still all be guilty and subject to death because of Adam. This is why the scripture says "all have sinned". It doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean. The verse is squarely placing the blame of everyone becoming a sinner on "one man", that man being Adam.

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Jimbone]

We are done here. I will not respond further.

Why? How is what he's saying wrong. Look NONE of us are born saved. No not one. Right? We are born of the flesh and because of Adam falling we are ALL born with a dead spirit. We are born broken. That means the little baby that hasn't been able to decide to sin yet, is still born broken. That is the horror and point of the whole situation. Now before you go off and hide from this conversation as well, hear me out. This does NOT mean I believe a baby goes to hell. It just so happens I know the Creator of all reality personally, and He is loving, just, and merciful on a level we can't even understand until He opens our eyes to it. This God get's ALL the glory for a reason, and this God made a way for these born broken people to be born again, to be reconciled to Him as we were created to be. We know this about Him for sure and this God forgives those who don't deserve it. There is no way His grace and mercy, through the blood of Jesus, doesn't wash the baby clean, who then awakens in Jesus presents.

That's the God I know and have been redeemed by. I understand why this topic causes such emotion, it's literally life and death, but to say that every single one of us it born into sin, that we are broken and disconnected from God is not a wicked thing, it's the truth and why our GLORIOUS God did everything He did to make a way to reconcile us to Himself. I don't think this should cause us to dislike each other either. I hope you at least get where I'm coming from, our brokenness goes beyond our sentient choice to sin. The ONLY reason the bby is saved is because of Gods great love and Mercy, and the ONLY way it's saved is because in Grace God put's the babies brokenness on the cross and then applies Gods righteousness to that baby. That's why the baby doesn't go to hell, not because it's born without sin.

 

[sawdust]

Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes we all sinned through one man, Adam.

 

[justahumanbeing]

“Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

- Matthew 18:3

14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” -

Matthew 19:14.

Babies are out of the question. They go to heaven if they pass on. It's what the Word of God says.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes we all sinned through one man, Adam.

Then babies sinned through the one man Adam, Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[sawdust]

Then babies sinned through the one man Adam, Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Yes, just as through the one man those in Him, are made alive. You wouldn't argue it is our righteousness at work making us alive and yet you want to argue it is the babies sin that is causing it's death.

Nor have you been able to show of what sin a baby is guilty. What act could you possibly pin on a baby that has no knowledge of anything, let alone right and wrong?

Indeed, none of us are bound to death because of our own sin but because of Adam's. Our own sin only confirms we are born dead in sin and unspiritual.

This really is elementary teaching on the human condition. You should know this.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, just as through the one man those in Him, are made alive. You wouldn't argue it is our righteousness at work making us alive and yet you want to argue it is the babies sin that is causing it's death.

Nor have you been able to show of what sin a baby is guilty. What act could you possibly pin on a baby that has no knowledge of anything, let alone right and wrong?

Indeed, none of us are bound to death because of our own sin but because of Adam's. Our own sin only confirms we are born dead in sin and unspiritual.

This really is elementary teaching on the human condition. You should know this.

Then babies sinned through the one man Adam, Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[brightfame52]

Drowning is a cakewalk compared to hell.
Not a one of those babies went to hell because sin isn't imputed when there's no law.

There was a law when Adam sinned, and babies sinned in him, when Adam sinned there was transgression Rom 5 14


Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

sin is transgression of the law 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Do you deny adam transgressed the Law ?

 

[tourist]

Why? How is what he's saying wrong. Look NONE of us are born saved. No not one. Right? We are born of the flesh and because of Adam falling we are ALL born with a dead spirit. We are born broken. That means the little baby that hasn't been able to decide to sin yet, is still born broken. That is the horror and point of the whole situation. Now before you go off and hide from this conversation as well, hear me out. This does NOT mean I believe a baby goes to hell. It just so happens I know the Creator of all reality personally, and He is loving, just, and merciful on a level we can't even understand until He opens our eyes to it. This God get's ALL the glory for a reason, and this God made a way for these born broken people to be born again, to be reconciled to Him as we were created to be. We know this about Him for sure and this God forgives those who don't deserve it. There is no way His grace and mercy, through the blood of Jesus, doesn't wash the baby clean, who then awakens in Jesus presents.

That's the God I know and have been redeemed by. I understand why this topic causes such emotion, it's literally life and death, but to say that every single one of us it born into sin, that we are broken and disconnected from God is not a wicked thing, it's the truth and why our GLORIOUS God did everything He did to make a way to reconcile us to Himself. I don't think this should cause us to dislike each other either. I hope you at least get where I'm coming from, our brokenness goes beyond our sentient choice to sin. The ONLY reason the bby is saved is because of Gods great love and Mercy, and the ONLY way it's saved is because in Grace God put's the babies brokenness on the cross and then applies Gods righteousness to that baby. That's why the baby doesn't go to hell, not because it's born without sin.

Yeah, babies are born innocent. No way God is sending them to hell. The one that I responded to thinks that the babies, during the time on the flood, were sent to hell by God. No way is that scripturally sound. In fact, it is sick.