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  1. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    So you limit Him to function as His creation, then you make Him a bully by using His power to get His own way and then you say I'm making Him the author of evil because ... you forgot there are other wills working in the world? The verse says He declares, not creates things "before they happen"...
  2. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    Nor have I used the verse to declare any of those things. You stated God can only know the future as uncertain possibilities. Isaiah 46:10 says God declares the end from the beginning and things before they occur. He is not declaring uncertainties. You seem to keep missing that point. Maybe...
  3. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    Yes but Paul says what is obvious is His "divine nature and eternal power". That is very general and impersonal. It doesn't really define the specifics of His nature. If that was all we had of His word, how well would we really know God?
  4. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    To men that is the case. Stop treating God as if He is a man. At the rate you're going we may as well determine what God is like by the eruption of the local volcano, forget what He says in His word. Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not...
  5. sawdust

    Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord

    Last time I looked my scriptures said we were saved by grace through faith, not obedience. You are either a believer or an unbeliever. The Gospel reveals which one you are.
  6. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    Being right or wrong has nothing to do with righteousness? Which world did you say you live in? I'd like to live in a world where being wrong can make me right. ;)
  7. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    In the real world. You can't be right if you're wrong and if you don't know the answer, you can be wrong as easily as you can be right. God is always right because He is always knowing the right answer.
  8. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. God can't be wholly righteous unless He is knowing all things always. He would be no different to us. There are always choices and if you don't know the answer you have as much chance to be wrong as you have to be right. It is precisely because God...
  9. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    You could trust that God as much as you could trust yourself because you have Him functioning as a man. If He doesn't know, He can't be right, at best He can only take a good guess. Omniscience means knowing all things always. Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient...
  10. sawdust

    Total Depravity

    The difference is if God has to learn, He is not omniscient and if He is not omniscient, He can make mistakes and If He can make mistakes (potentially), we aren't able to fully trust His word and that means there can be no righteousness not from God or for ourselves. God's omniscience is what...
  11. sawdust

    Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord

    It says in verse 23 they were unbelievers as Jesus said He never knew them. Jesus knows His sheep and His sheep know Him. John 10:14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
  12. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    No, I applied your reasoning and the verse regarding making the debtor pay is just a generalization and there are always exceptions. Our debt is still cancelled and you failed to see the context is about judgement, not salvation. Those who refuse God's grace will know the "full weight of the...
  13. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Let's start here. You believing (in Christ) did not save you. God's determination to save believers is what saved you (Jn.3:16). It is a gift. We were dead in our sin, we had no spiritual life and as such, were unable to relate to God who is Spirit. We were born utterly apart and oblivious to...
  14. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    As I have said before, salvation is not a prize. Prizes are rewards for winning effort. Christ is not on the outside feeding you bread and water as you walk through the desert. You keep confusing salvation from death, which cannot be lost as you cannot die again because your sin has been paid...
  15. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    The Saviour is a person and salvation is the result of His working. You get the freedom to choose to follow, you don't get the power to save yourself. If God has saved you, you are saved. He doesn't save unbelievers and He knows exactly who they are. I'm beginning to think you don't think we...
  16. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    He is correct but you have hardly proved your point either.
  17. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    How does "paying back what you owe" translate to eternal death? I have said time and time again, God will not be mocked, not by unbelievers, not by believers. If, as a believer, you want to live in a way that is not in accordance with God's plan, you will not get away with it. If you persist...
  18. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    It doesn't matter what we think of ourselves or each other. The only opinion that has merit is God's. He determines who is true and who is false, who is saved and who is not. I have never said otherwise regarding our responsibility to believe but it is not within our power to save ourselves...
  19. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    False prophets are not saved so doesn't really show salvation can be lost. Anything one believes that is not true does not translate to having faith. Faith comes form the word, the word is truth. I think if anyone asks us why we should be here our answer ought to be because the Lord God is...
  20. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Very clear. I'm left with the message the word can't be trusted to mean what it says. Certain language cannot be taken literally like idioms, metaphors etc but there is no suggestion the verses I quoted fall into any class of non-figurative or simile language. Besides, if what you say is true...