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It makes a difference because He foreknew them before creation. They were already chosen in Christ before they came into being. It's not my position that anyone was predestined to destruction. Men are suited to destruction through their own actions. Given the corrupt nature due to sin, God has...

Is this about salvation? If it is, then you are advocating keeping the law to obtain salvation.

That would possibly be true except for Romans 8:29. It doesn't say WHAT God foreknew, but WHO God foreknew.

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You're getting ahead of the discussion. First you say that Deuteronomy 30:19 is referring to salvation. Now you admit that it's not. So in basing your definition of freewill in salvation on verses that aren't speaking about salvation, then you already have bias in your definition. I'm not to...

I understand your position. Jesus was elected of God to both proclaim and provide salvation, but this isn't the extent of election. God also chose or elected some in Him. Otherwise, you have Jesus being chosen in Himself. It is also stated that this election occurred before creation. In Christ...

Feel free to explain it to me.

I believe both. God both elects, and in His coming to an individual woos them to be His bride.

Careful. Calvinists believe in election; not selection. Do you know the difference?

The reason I ask is because if you believe that eternal life was in view, then you must believe that salvation for the Jews was possible through the keeping of the law, and not through faith. Is this so? I'm glad you made the distinction between choices and freewill. As I understand freewill...

His statement was false. You agreed with it. You are both dishonest about what the reformed faith teaches. It's one thing to misunderstand it and make false claims. It's another to knowingly make false claims.

Calvinists don't say that. They merely say the source of the willingness comes from outside of the individual and is not sourced within themselves.

But you did vote for the 50% inflation we've had the last 4 years.

Do you believe eternal life is what is in view here? Is there a difference between choice and freewill?

The names of the patriarchy are written in heaven. The Bible doesn't explicitly say that glory is their home, but I believe they are in. As for their progeny, the Bible doesn't say. I'm not a Calvinist and have repeatedly said so. Can you explain the difference between election and selection?

Your answer was what I'm trying to avoid. I'm not looking for a definition according to the thread. I'm simply trying to establish what freewill is. After doing this, we can evaluate whether and to what extent an individual possesses freewill and its application to salvation. If one begins with...

I have no idea. Most probably not. And as far as I know, God creates life in the womb. Honestly, I don't understand your point, unless you simply are trying not to answer my question.

I simply disagree with your take.

You asked me were they elect and spiritual. I took spiritual to mean saved. If that's what you mean, then all.

Is the ability to choose the same as freewill?