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I appreciate you taking the time to answer, but I'm not asking because I don't know the answers. I'm asking to provoke thought or understand a position someone holds better.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer, but I'm not asking because I don't know the answers. I'm asking to provoke thought or understand a position someone holds better.

Right. But what changes so I do believe pigs fly?

You are like many here. You make points, but when people ask questions that the answers if you give them will undermine your position, you refuse to answer.

Then why in Romans 9 does God use the example of 2 people...Jacob and Esau?

If the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing, what happens that makes them believe it so it is no longer foolishness?

The light of the gospel is a curious phrase. Light is generally thought of as understanding spiritually. My only point earlier is that man still has natural capacities, even though they have been corrupted. Thus, the have natural understanding of things...even spiritual things.

Everything in the Bible is in some way related to Christ and redemption. No matter what I ask from the Bible it is related to God's plan for humanity. Grace and peace.

We can't understand spiritually, but people can still understand things. I can teach a 6 year old the gospel and they can understand the concepts of sin and salvation and Jesus' role in redemption. There has to be some understanding about a particular thing in order to think it is foolish and...

It's taught throughout the Bible.

Inclination for me, or disinclination, is found in passages such as Romans 3:10 and following.

Ok. Thanks for the conversation.

I've been asking one for some time. You keep avoiding answering the actual question I am asking.

Quit avoiding the question. I'm not asking about Israel. I'm asking if you are ok that God was saving some in Israel to the exclusion of those in other nations? Yes or no?

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You are still avoiding the question. Are you ok that God almost exclusively saved only those of Israel?

We don't disagree about ears being given. I believe there is a supernatural hearing as well as a circumcision of the heart in salvation as part of changing an individual's inclination. But in order for someone to think something is foolishness and reject it, they have to on a human level have...

I was referring to 1 Corinthians 1:18. So how is someone referencing scripture outside of scripture?

This isn't exactly correct. Man has the ability to understand and believe the gospel. But...he is disinclined to do so. He understands the gospel, but rejects it because to him it is foolishness. His inability is in the area of inclination. Hence, the necessity of a new heart.

Then answer the other 2 questions.