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Ah. Don't recall ever hearing that before. I've heard Christ won't return until the Gospel has been preached everywhere throughout the world but I don't recall hearing that connected with the fullness of the Gentiles coming in. You learn something new everyday. :)

Ok. So do you see salvation as all encompassing and by that I mean there are no distinctions among groups of believers? iow All believers from all times become a part of the Church?

My understanding of the term "fullness of the Gentiles coming in " is a reference to the completion of the Church, not the salvation of all Gentiles, so MM would be around for that (assuming he's alive at the time of the Rapture). I'm interested in how you both understand that phrase.

I'm not Christ with all authority. You asked in your OP "should we follow His example?" Does this mean you are going to usurp His rule and do the appointing yourself? How Christ operates and how we operate under Him, are two different issues. We cannot follow, to the letter, everything Christ...

You are comparing apples with oranges. Maybe you have not been paying attention because I have repeated this many times. USA (or any other nation running on democratic principles) is not a nation created and chosen by God like Israel nor is it an organism created and chosen by God like the...

Clearly because there was no voting in His day, but what would He do today in the countries that do have voting? The reality is you have no idea but you're quite happy to state categorically He wouldn't based on an argument from silence. He didn't do it when it wasn't available so he won't do it...

I have no problem with facts, just your interpretation of them. :) He never sent an email, text, phone call or made an online post so best we all stop communicating electronically as well. Afterall, if He wanted to do any of those things, He would have come at a different time but He...

Sure mate, it was the right time simply because He didn't want to vote. :rolleyes:

When was He given the opportunity? They didn't have elections as we know them in ancient Rome so your argument is rather nonsensical.

What??? Where on earth do you get that from what I said? Church and state are separate. My appeal has been to scripture showing how secular governments are to be obeyed and how we, still being in the world, ought to be responsible citizens and exercise our civic duty. Stop projecting your own...

You're the one who seems to be confused. You keep saying we shouldn't take responsibility for electing those who determine the direction of our countries and constantly comparing your nation to the only theocracy instituted on this Earth as if somehow God gave you your laws written on stone and...

Didn't know God called out the USA to be His nation among all the other nations? I thought you had a bunch of founding fathers draw up a constitution etc. You must be very confused about your history if you think the USA is supposed to be a theocracy.

Strewth! Some mothers do 'ave 'em. Talk about holier than thou. I don't know you but you know me all so well. :rolleyes: You're comments are laughable. :ROFL: We were talking about politics and voting not ministering the Gospel. Get in context.

Maybe they should have stuck with common sense instead of their limited knowledge of the forces governing this universe.

It's not a random outcome, it's an unknown outcome. You can't just go throwing randomness into the universe and expect it to turn out the way you want. If we knew (or could control) beforehand all the forces applied to the the toss , directly and indirectly, we would know the outcome before the...

Bound by one Spirit. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

You are looking at Christ 's actions when He came to save the world. Start looking at His actions when He returns and you will see His ruling of the world is the true politics. Foreign policy will be done a little differently. Instead of trade embargoes, He will withhold the rain which, is way...

That doesn't make any sense. If you know it's illogical rhetoric, how can you be manipulated? You would be doubly foolish if, in the knowing, you were still manipulated. :confused:

What do you expect when Christians, who are meant to be the salt and light of the world, refuse to be involved in politics?

And some how that changes what the Democrats spoke about? There is no such thing as a "true" democracy for we are not governed by the people having a say on all matters but we are governed by representatives who are freely elected by the people. Whether you are a Constitutional Monarchy like...