There will be no Rapture!!!

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GWH

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Uhm, those prophesies REPEATEDLY speak about believers being deceived by false prophets/teachers/leaders, to the point where they will depart from the faith. They also warn us to PREPARE for what's coming, not to try and stop what has been prophesied. I think keeping brothers and sisters from separating from their faith would be the most important past of all this.
Yes, and the way we can be prepared for the second coming is by learning God's Word per EPH 4:11-6:17.
 

ZNP

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Take Cover In Me Your God 11-21-24@1:13PM

 

GWH

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That's one step
Yes, like physical walking, walking with God (RM 6:4, GL 5:16, EPH 4:1, 1THS 4:1) involves two steps. Another apt analogy is the act of breathing. The meaning of both analogies is simply communion or communication with God’s Holy Spirit.

The first step or inhale is listening to God (LGW), and the second step or exhale is responding to or cooperating with GW. God’s message for mankind is revealed partially by the world He has created but more fully by the Scriptures He has inspired. The crux of God’s Word is the Gospel of salvation (kerygma), while the secondary teachings (didache) consist of the manifold applications of the law of love (1JN 3:11).

The second step or main types of responses to God’s Word are prayer to God and good works unto others for God (cf. 1JN 4:20, EPH 2:10). The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1JN 1:9, PS 32:1-5). Prayer is simply talking to God. From the moment of repentance onward, whenever a Believer acknowledges to God his/her known sins of immoral attitudes and actions, God forgives all sins (1JN 1:9b). This means he/she is pleasing rather than grieving God or once again is Spirit-filled (walking in the Spirit) and has a right relationship with Christ Jesus (EPH 4:30, 5:10 & 18).
 

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There will be no pre or mid tribulation rapture. This is an invention of the dispensationalists. The Pre-Rapture was invented by the dispensationalist John Darby in the 19th century. It did not exist before that. Church history did not know a Pre-Rapture before the 19th century.

The Bible clearly states that Christians must go through the Tribulation, for Revelation 20:4 describes how Christians will be beheaded for their faith during the Tribulation. If there really was a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, then logically there would be no Christians in the Tribulation, but because there will be Christians in the Tribulation, that means there will be no Pre-Tribulation Rapture! Revelation 13:7 also declares that Christians will be given into the hand of the Antichrist, which means the Antichrist may overcome Christians and kill them.

Jesus will return only once and that is after the tribulation. Then he will gather all Christians.
We will not be here for the great tribulation. Only those left behind can take the mark of the beast.

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only He who now letteth will let, until He be taken out of the way." (2 Thessalonians 2:7 KJB)

The Holy Spirit is the restrainer and if the Church is there so is the Holy Spirit.

The Church is not mentioned after chapter four of Revelation, which signifies a shift in focus from the Church to other entities and events. Revelation, chapters 1-4, represent the Church age. After that, John was shown the things that would be "hereafter." After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

John saw the Church in Heaven. "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." (Revelation 4:4 KJB)

The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. This act of worship is not just for the elders but for the entire Church, showing our unity and shared purpose.

(Revelation 4:10-11 KJB)

They had victor's crowns on their heads. These twenty-four elders represent the Church. So after the church age, He sees God on the throne and the glory around the throne, the rainbow. And he sees the Church, represented by these twenty-four elders, caught up to heaven. That is the Church victorious. That is the true Church that will be victorious and triumphant, "...caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thess. 4:17 KJB)

Something else that supports the 24 elders representing the Church is Ephesians 2:18-22; "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles (12) and prophets (12), Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

In whom all the building fitly framed together (The Church) groweth unto an holy temple (Body of Christ) in the Lord:

In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

One last thing. Why would Christ torture His Bride before taking her unto himself?
 

Hammer

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He literall says after the trib

Matthew 24:29-31, “And immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give its light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. “And then the sign of the Son of Aḏam shall appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, and they shall see the Son of Aḏam coming on the clouds of the heaven with power and much esteem. “And He shall send His messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

but it is pre wrath of YHWH, thats by far the worst part.
Jesus, through Matthew, speaks of the Jews and to the Jews at the end of Jacob's trouble. These are God's chosen people.
 

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Jesus, through Matthew, speaks of the Jews and to the Jews at the end of Jacob's trouble. These are God's chosen people.
Chosen to do what? Important question.
 

Jimbone

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Chosen to be His in and for eternity, of course:)(y):coffee:
blessings
Really? I do believe they were chosen to bring forth the Messiah, if I'm not mistaken. Guess what, they did it. Great job, now ALL people can come to God, or all nations are blessed through Abraham. There is a much more definable answer to my question. He didn't just choose them to have a "chosen people", they were chosen for a purpose, a purpose that He fulfilled in them. Adding anything more than this is just simply adding to scripture what is not actually there. Like I said, it's and important question to answer to make sure we grow closer to Truth and protect from being deceived by any falseness that comes our way in His name. While I can appreciate your answer on a personal level, when it comes to actually digging down to the Truth, my opinion is it honestly falls a little short. Thank you for taking the time to answer it though, and please know I'm saying this with respect and am in no way trying to be dismissive of you or disrespectful towards you or your answer. I thank you for your blessings as well and send blessing back to you and your family as well.
 

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Were there no fall in Genesis there would be no need for a Savior.
 

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Really? I do believe they were chosen to bring forth the Messiah, if I'm not mistaken. Guess what, they did it. Great job, now ALL people can come to God, or all nations are blessed through Abraham. There is a much more definable answer to my question. He didn't just choose them to have a "chosen people", they were chosen for a purpose, a purpose that He fulfilled in them. Adding anything more than this is just simply adding to scripture what is not actually there. Like I said, it's and important question to answer to make sure we grow closer to Truth and protect from being deceived by any falseness that comes our way in His name. While I can appreciate your answer on a personal level, when it comes to actually digging down to the Truth, my opinion is it honestly falls a little short. Thank you for taking the time to answer it though, and please know I'm saying this with respect and am in no way trying to be dismissive of you or disrespectful towards you or your answer. I thank you for your blessings as well and send blessing back to you and your family as well.
Why on earth is this sad?? I do not get that emote. The most glorious thing Gods done doesn't get a sad face.
 

Genez

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There will be no pre or mid tribulation rapture. This is an invention of the dispensationalists. The Pre-Rapture was invented by the dispensationalist John Darby in the 19th century. It did not exist before that. Church history did not know a Pre-Rapture before the 19th century.
Well I'll be!
You sure fell for the lie that was designed to keep Christians from growing in truth...

Those.. ''dirty dispensationalists! They are going to make Satan feel bad!

Bad! Bad! Satan now sad!

:devilish: ....... Those mean dispensationalists!


:giggle::coffee::giggle::coffee::giggle::coffee: Yay! JESUS!
 

shittim

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Holy Spirit continues to confirm there will indeed be Harpazo, and soon.
Those who lean on their own understanding are missing this truth.
blessings:)(y)
 

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I'm looking forward to the fullness of the Gentiles coming in.

MM
 

sawdust

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I'm looking forward to the fullness of the Gentiles coming in.

MM
You won't be around for it. At least not on earth.
My understanding of the term "fullness of the Gentiles coming in " is a reference to the completion of the Church, not the salvation of all Gentiles, so MM would be around for that (assuming he's alive at the time of the Rapture).

I'm interested in how you both understand that phrase.
 

Cameron143

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My understanding of the term "fullness of the Gentiles coming in " is a reference to the completion of the Church, not the salvation of all Gentiles, so MM would be around for that (assuming he's alive at the time of the Rapture).

I'm interested in how you both understand that phrase.
I understand the term to refer to the final Gentile being saved.
 

sawdust

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I understand the term to refer to the final Gentile being saved.
Ok. So do you see salvation as all encompassing and by that I mean there are no distinctions among groups of believers? iow All believers from all times become a part of the Church?