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Maybe the idea of hundreds of little JohnB's running around from his extra curricular activities puts everyone else off the notion.

I see the explanation as more spiritual than physical, of course they are both intertwined but its the believer marrying an unbeliever that causes the problem. The same reason as given later to Israel, of course if any from the nations left and joined Israel then later on they could marry so...

I think similarly, maybe both, they were also men of renown(famous) Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days— and afterward as well — when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty MEN of old, MEN of renown. Look at...

lol, I dont think I have a choice, although I find some things enjoyable in the flesh Im not going to be upset if they are superseded by far better things, and in heaven the sin nature and the fleshly desires if not there will not be counted a loss from my perspective. But those who are...

The joining together of two things is generally considered a marriage, A common colloquialism is to marry things together referring to inanimate objects. This I also presume is how proponents of the Gen 6 argument get around angels mating with woman being a marriage, there is no formal union or...

Wait, are you suggesting God not only wanted angels to mate with females He called for volunteers and sent them to go forth and multiply?

We are created with a sex drive like animals to procreate, but we are also given marriage to help us control our lusts, there is no need for use or an reproductive system in heaven. Also I presume that we agree adultery is a sin, do I form a union with my wife now again in heaven or can I...

Saying they are fallen angels and also sons of God, seems to me the equivalent of saying sons of God possessed the man at the tomb for he was possessed by the legion of demons. Just seems contradictory.

After carefully reading all the posts I have come to a decision, and those who concluded John is no longer on the earth have presented a better argument albeit flavored with less grace, anyway they have won the argument and are therefore more correct.

I guess its another way of looking at it, where it seems God gave angels reproductive organs and urges/lust/desire and forgot to give them female counterparts? no wonder they had to come down and procreate with all the woman.

I did find it interesting that the woman/harlot that sits atop the beast was raptured.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household Acts 16:31 Its amazing how many verses are taken out of context to apply to all today.

For sure, all the literature and commentaries I have pretty much all assume that the Antichrist and False prophet are two different characters empowered by Satan, So naturally that was my starting point as well and I guess for me it just left a few unanswered questions. So I think there are two...

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Who are these two...

Thanks, its good to understand the post trib view? I guess I did always assume you guys see the returning of the Lord and the catching up was one continuous descent. Im trying to understand your position? We are raptured before the bowl judgments then the 7 bowl/vials are poured out which takes...

From my perspective, (pre-trib) the Church is removed from the earth, then there will Tribulation, from my view once the church is removed, there will be two witnesses to the entire world preaching the Gospel, also there will be 144,000 witnesses there will be a great amount of people still...

Well, my understanding is this, the first heavens and earth will be done away with, and a new beginning will ensue with a brand new heaven and a new earth, then the New Jerusalem will descend down to earth, so those not already in the city are those who are in the lake of fire.

I guess Im not looking for a earthly kingdom(home), but desire to be in that heavenly home. I think faith causes us to not look at the world(temporal) but to the heavens(eternal) for our Home. I think Im more like minded with Abraham in that chapter of faith. Heb 11:10 For he looked for a...

Our church has this great old hymn in our hymnal, what do you think of it? 1. Some glad morning when this life is o'er, I'll fly away; To a home on God's celestial shore, I'll fly away (I'll fly away). Chorus I'll fly away, Oh Glory I'll fly away; (in the morning) When I die...

Wait what, How can there be no rapture? 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Greek Harpazo or Latin Rapturo or Rapiemur which we replaced with(even transliterated)...