Understanding God’s election

I can't figure out if you are being deliberately obtuse or in actuality simply cannot understand my argument. At any rate, thanks for the discussion.

I didn't cite a spirit, but scripture. This is what the Gospel does! Are you so blind as to how the world at large receives the Gospel and how the world hates God's people!?

The Bible~~The Lord Jesus Christ died for sinners(everyone) and tore down the veil(Our depravity) so they could seek and find God in any place, at any time.

Are you so blind as to how the world at large receives the Gospel

When Christ was numbered with the transgressors (see below verses), those He represented could no longer be numbered as transgressors since He took their place - the concept of double jeopardy would not permit Christ and those for whom He stood in, to both be so numbered - given that Christ became numbered. If Christ's sacrifice truly applied to everyone as you say, then He alone would have been numbered as the only transgressor (yet He wasn’t), with no other transgressors remaining. However, as the verses below clearly indicate, Christ was numbered with transgressors, but not that the transgressors were numbered with Christ - meaning those He was numbered with still remained transgressors, they, apart from Christ. Therefore, given as they remained transgressors even when Christ was a transgressor, means that it is not possible for those transgressors to ever be covered by His sacrifice.

[Isa 53:11-12 KJV]
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[Mar 15:28 KJV] 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

I guess Adam either had free will or he wasn't one of God's elect.

He may have had both or neither. Just remember election has nothing to do with salvation. There is not one instance where election refers to eternal salvation and there are several uses in which election is used for unbelievers.

I guess Adam either had free will or he wasn't one of God's elect.

He may have had both or neither. Just remember election has nothing to do with salvation. There is not one instance where election refers to eternal salvation and there are several uses in which election is used for unbelievers.

I guess Adam either had free will or he wasn't one of God's elect.

He may have had both or neither. Just remember election has nothing to do with salvation. There is not one instance where election refers to eternal salvation and there are several uses in which election is used for unbelievers.

No, I think you're hard to miss.

The Spirit is Scripture. Scripture is The Spirit.

[1Pe 1:2-5 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[Eph 1:4-7 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

I assume this doesn't sound to you like God's Salvation Plan for those who would believe Jesus is YHWH's Christ. IOW, it does not say God chose us TO BE in Him (Christ) but God chose us in Christ TO BE... There is a difference. It's really saying God chose Christians to be... and it's explaining how part of God's Plan works.

Any you slice it, it says God chose us in Christ.

Yes. Predestenation was the mystery of Christ coming into the world. It was predestined. Now im out before the "elect" grab their torches and pitchforks. 🫣

It doesn't have to be a topic that creates such angst. Are all in Adam? Who made that determination? Did God choose Israel? Why is it so difficult to believe that God chooses?

Yes he chooses but the belief that out of two people God chose one for heaven and one for hell before the foundations of the world? No. He chose Abraham because he was righteous.

Any you slice it, it says God chose us in Christ.

Now im out before the "elect" grab their torches and pitchforks.

I'm not sure how deeply you are comfortable with going into the subject given your original post, but I do enjoy trying to understand why people hold the positions they do. So if you don't want to share I'll understand. But if you are amenable, what is it you object to in God choosing? Is there something in the character or ways of God that leads you to believe Him choosing would violate?