LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

I've read enough of his posts that I do understand most of the "connections". However, it's like investigating why the toaster doesn't work and finding that the house was wired incorrectly.

right

and the NT comes AFTER ALL OF IT

Jesus became a curse for us

I don't think you understand what a curse is

I don't see the connection to my post.

I could be wrong but I don't think Israel was ever divorced. I am thinking of this verse from Isaiah.

Thus says the LORD: “Where is your mother’s certificate of divorce, with which I sent her away? Or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities you were sold, and for your transgressions your mother was sent away.
As you read this passage with the help of commentaries they all agree that the idea is that He had not divorced Israel and is about to have King Cyrus decree their release from Babylon so that they can go rebuild the temple and Jerusalem.

I see what you're saying. But lenna did not mix it up. She did state we still die, etc. Which is consequence of sin (the law of reaping and sowing). God lets us experience the consequence for the sake of learning from our mistakes and so God is not mocked. But if Christ became curse for us, and curse isn't removed off us, what would even be the point of Christ becoming a curse? Parallel statement is that sin is removed off those who believe, because Christ became sin for us.

Yes just as in all parables hiding the mysteries made known by the unseen faith Christ working in us. Faith as it is written must be mixed or lose out on the good new gospel. and forfeits the rest that makes our tribulations lighter.

(Purple) My added opinion


And I will put enmity ( opposing spirit between thee and the spirit of lies)and the woman (the church) , and between thy seed (flesh) and her seed; (Christ our husband the spiritual seed. Tt the incorruptible seed by which men are born again, the word of God ) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his (our husband Christ) heel. Genesis 3:15

Hi thanks for the reply


Not all Israel are reckoned as born again Christian the new name God named the bride. The other Israel is reckoned as the strange woman unconverted mankind .She is not reckoned as the mother us us all .But the mother of natural man the flesh daughters of men. But sons of God to represent mankind .No gender. No procreating . . the free woman .

When it says that Christ became a curse for us I don’t believe this to mean that all other curses are therefore broken, it also says “Cursed is everyone that hangs from a tree.” Christ was accursed for us making the way of salvation for us. Christ became sin for us but we still have to repent of sin regularly as believers and take up our cross daily and die to self, lots of verses illustrate this.

I know the Lord, and I have experienced curses being broken as a believer; this does not negate the fact that Christ became a curse for us, thus achieving salvation for all who believe.

I can assure you they do and it is definitely a curse.

Agreed.
Rather are able to break various curses through His power, in His name. According to our faith. Sometimes people lack faith, like when Jesus scolded apostles for being unable to cast some demons out.
This is reserved for us believers, yes.
My point was on insisting how we are all are cursed. My point being, that if Jesus became a curse for us, that at least SOME curse must have been lifted from those who believe... what people are referring that did not get lifted is actually the law of reaping and sowing. But the law was fulfilled, not broken.

oh that's ok. I can't remember or think of one thread here that never went 'off topic'

I would like to state for the record and for your interest, that God told Eve He would INCREASE her pain in childbirth which certainly seems to indicate there was already pain involved. huh

Another interesting note on that entire episode, is the fact God said Eve would be the mother of all living and He pronounced a curse on the serpent in which the serpent would be DEFEATED by a child born of a woman.


Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’) that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:13-14

21God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. II Corinthians 5:21

so in effect, we are not cursed as Christ became a curse for us and we no longer have our sins counted against us because Christ bore them for us. what curse does the law carry? death. we still experience physical death but we are spiritually now alive.

we were cursed and cut off from God; we are now blessed as was Abraham in all things (Gal 3)

only God can remove a curse, which has lasting effects and will follow a person throughout their life if not removed

I used to think we were still cursed as per the curses incurred with the sin of Adam and Eve, but we are not. We suffer the consequences of that sin and in fact the entire world does. BUT we are not cursed. We are now blessed.

look at Galatians. we cannot be both cursed and blessed. hello?

This is the confusion that keeps repeating when people argue we are cursed.

Being subjected to the laws such as law of reaping and sowing (the whole universe operates under God's laws), does not mean being under the curse of the law, which was broken.

What is the curse of the law? That every soul that sins shall die because no one can fulfill the law. But through Jesus this was nailed on the cross. We take up our cross and follow Him. So we are dead to the law and we can live through Christ.

So while curse is still out there in the world, believers cannot be cursed. Our old man is dead, and the new man is born of the Spirit and what is born of God is certainly not cursed.

You are VERY right about this. That the pulpit IS the problem. We are to in honor prefer one another.
The Spirit appoints people Himself for His offices. People always try to meddle in His business and seek their own glory.
Watch people come to wise counsel to such and such person. That's how you know that God appointed them to counsel. They feed the sheep, and sheep come to them.
Watch people ask a certain person questions when they want to learn and their knowledge increases. That's how you know that God appointed them to teach. They feed the sheep, and sheep come to them.
Watch how people flock to this person for spiritual guidance and are edified. That's how you know God appointed them as pastor. They feed the sheep, the sheep come to them.
Then the problem is down to discerning wolves.
I don't believe the church should have institutionalized these things at all. That was the biggest mistake.
Institutionalizing the church and installing pulpit also made the wolves untouchable through claiming authority.

Fine. Stop bringing up women pastors as a problem in the same breath and category with LGBT pastors, and I will never say anything about you insinuating again. As I said, these two are separate issues.

The chapter you cited to support your view does not hold water, because Phoebe is mentioned as an exemplary deacon.
So if "deacons' wives" and "deacons being husbands of one wife" being mentioned did not prevent Phoebe from Romans 16:1 from being a distinguished deacon enough to be sent to Rome as an emissary, what gives?
Strong's Greek 1249, the same word used in Timothy, that you cite.

I found out through looking deeper into the usage of the word cursed when referring to 'all those who are 'hung on a tree' that Paul also understood that those under that form of execution were thought of as cursed, apart from spiritual understanding' as Deuteronomy pronounces a curse on those so killed. (21:22-23)

22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Therefore, as Paul knew Jesus to 'have no sin', he underscores a different meaning other than being 'accursed' because of gross sin that initiated a Crucifixion. The Jews might have meant it that way for Jesus, but as Jesus had no sin, he became a curse as Paul states which is a big difference. Jesus was not cursed by God as the Jews would have understood it, but became a curse, in effect 'beyond God' as are all of us before accepting Christ.

So that just made me see things a little differently when I understood the meaning those physically present would have attributed to what they were viewing. Cut off from God.

And we know what Jesus cried out during the Crucifixion. (asking why His Father had abandoned Him)

So Paul writes that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Gods laws were broken when Adam & Eve sinned, they disobeyed, so to say the law was not in effect (chronologically for the Bible they were not) is to ignore the fact that God states that Jesus will defeat the serpent which meant that the sin for breaking the law was the curse of death.

It's a little complicated but like anything, making the effort to understand what Paul is saying is well worth it

You need to shake your attitude sorry but you do.

Amen the curse of sin and death was broken

I don't even know you.

You are offended . I can't help that.

For a butterfly, you do seem to bite

Anyway, is this your way of stating you cannot respond to my post or do you have something to contribute?

Lenna, may I ask a question: How many times have you given birth?

I am not talking about the offices I am talking about speaking and teaching, you don't have to be in a position in the church to do these things.

Or what about if a women is in fact the pastor of the church but God used her to help guide teach and even save souls which I happen to know one here in cc, if a women is not to be in that position but she did all these things then by whose power was it done if only man is to be in that position?