LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

[Truth7t7]

Are you willing to tell the Creator of the universe His Word doesn't "add up?"

Your presentation has been spot on, a woman is to keep silent, and not usurp authority over the man, simple!

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be the husband of one wife, that excludes women

It's the leftist wing that has entered the church, equal rights, wave the rainbow flags, women and homosexuals behind the pulpits.

Many denominations have fallen to the present evils, as we move closer to (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

No, I don't believe homosexuals belong at the pulpit. I was talking about you blaming women pastors for LGBT at the pulpit. There are male gay pastors as well so I don't see why is this made into a "women bad" thing.

Your reading tooooo much into it, the subject is (Women) and church order, of course I'm aware of homosexual men behind pulpits

There are homosexual males and females behind pulpits, but they arent pastoring a Church ordained by the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Lion222]

The Church used to operate diffidently.
More of a public forum then a orator's platform.
So it was common for everyone to be speaking and asking questions, saying what you believe in order to learn and be corrected.

Women for the sake of not exercising authority over men and how that speaks to the church which the woman embodies and Christ which the man represents.
Women where instructed to learn in silence and to ask their questions at home of their husbands/fathers
Now the whole Church is in the position of the woman, learning in silence.

It has been that way since the corruption of Rome and its adoption of Christianity and its inclusion of how their worship and teaching of the roman gods was done.
The Hebrew traditions where abandoned, so this no longer makes sense to modern Christians without a history lesson on how it used to be in the new testament Church.
Something I would love to see rebuilt and in practice today.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Your reading tooooo much into it, the subject is (Women) and church order, of course I'm aware of homosexual men behind pulpits

I'm not reading into it. Your words:

many apostate liberal denominations started with women pastors, now it's homosexual lesbian pastors?

It appears you support the liberal wing with what calls itself the church?
Females and homosexuals behind the pulpits, let's all hug and love one another, wave the rainbow flags in the name of Jesus, were a reconciling church, all are welcome, no need to change?

You basically blamed women pastors for homosexual clergy existing, insinuating, they paved the way, so it's their fault. But do you think of all the horrors of all-male Vatican closet homosexuality and worse, pedophilia. "There's nothing hidden that will not come to light." These people are only at the pulpit now in the open, because they already were at the pulpit, hidden. It was there for a very long time, now in this day and age it is only being revealed.

Then you go on and smear women pastors as "liberal wing" in response to Scribe. There are women with unsound teachings out there (just as men CC is full of them!), but I know of some that teach sound doctrine and that are exemplary at that, from CC Angela comes to mind. I suggest to quit attacking and smearing women pastors for everything that is wrong in the church now, Adam tried this blame others approach and it didn't work out great for him...

 

[Scribe]

The Church used to operate diffidently.
More of a public forum then a orator's platform.
So it was common for everyone to be speaking and asking questions, saying what you believe in order to learn and be corrected.

Women for the sake of not exercising authority over men and how that speaks to the church which the woman embodies and Christ which the man represents.
Women where instructed to learn in silence and to ask their questions at home of their husbands/fathers
Now the whole Church is in the position of the woman, learning in silence.

It has been that way since the corruption of Rome and its adoption of Christianity and its inclusion of how their worship and teaching of the roman gods was done.
The Hebrew traditions where abandoned, so this no longer makes sense to modern Christians without a history lesson on how it used to be in the new testament Church.
Something I would love to see rebuilt and in practice today.

We are still in need of reformation The reformers started down the road and then just set up camp around certain doctrines and wen no further. Later eschatology went through a reformation and rediscovery of truths in scripture. The doctrine of the Holy Spirit got revisited. There are still more areas needing reformation. Just waiting for scriptures to be preached and the movement to begin...

 

[DesertWanderer]

Taking verses out of context and attempting to build doctrine is NOT a sound method of biblical interpretation

Church Order
26 What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church. 27 If someone speaks in a tongue, it should be two, or at the most three, one after the other, and someone must interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, he should be silent in the church. Let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Two or three prophets should speak and the others should evaluate what is said. 30 And if someone sitting down receives a revelation, the person who is speaking should conclude. 31 For you can all prophesy one after another, so all can learn and be encouraged. 32 Indeed, the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, 33 for God is not characterized by disorder but by peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says. 35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church. 36 Did the word of God begin with you, or did it come to you alone?

37 If anyone considers himself a prophet or spiritual person, he should acknowledge that what I write to you is the Lord’s command. 38 If someone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So then, brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid anyone from speaking in tongues. 40 And do everything in a decent and orderly manner.

Is this enough "context," or shall I copy and paste all 66 books of the bible for you?

The whole "taking verses out of context" thing I would expect from a dyed in the wool atheist, but not from a professing Christian. It is a rather thin argument for rejecting God's Word.

I am merely pointing out that we cannot dismiss the scriptures just because we find the words difficult. If we start to pick and choose, we are no better than Satan's Watchtower Society, altering scripture to fit their own doctrines.

I certainly can't say anything on my own accord here. I too find it difficult, just as an example, that God would order the Israelites to march into the land of Canaan and not leave one woman or child breathing.

I find it difficult to imagine Jonah being swallowed by a giant fish and living to tell about it. I find most of Revelation hard to comprehend.

But it is what God gave us through His Word. We either accept every word of it or we don't.

 

[Lion222]

Are you aware that the bible teaches that man the male is glory of God?
OR that woman is the glory of man?

on top of that and previously stated is the husband and wife and what they embody and Christ and the Church.

The act of teaching is considered to be an exercise of authority.
SO they image of a woman teaching a man is the image of the glory of man in authority over the Glory of God.
or the Church in authority over Christ.

Even though we are equally heirs of the Spiritual life in Christ Jesus.
Our physical nature carries with it those things according to the bible.
That will put aside, the male and female aspects of our nature in heaven.

But for now what we do in our bodies speak spiritually and is one of the most powerful testimonies to society of how it works between God and Man, Christ and the Church.
Largely because it stands in such stark contrast to the curse that was pronounce on women and between them and men since the fall of mankind.

 

[Lion222]

We are still in need of reformation The reformers started down the road and then just set up camp around certain doctrines and wen no further. Later eschatology went through a reformation and rediscovery of truths in scripture. The doctrine of the Holy Spirit got revisited. There are still more areas needing reformation. Just waiting for scriptures to be preached and the movement to begin...

Lets chat.

 

[DesertWanderer]

Your presentation has been spot on, a woman is to keep silent, and not usurp authority over the man, simple!

Not my words, but God's. I just merely copied and pasted a bunch of scriptures concerning the topic.

The truth is, I find it incredibly difficult since I was always taught that women should be equals to men in American society.

So don't count me a hero yet. I am just as perplexed as a lot of people about a lot of things in the Bible.

Thankfully, God will reveal everything when He takes us home. Hallelujah!

 

[Blain]

You know Jesus said to preach gospel and while he said this to the apostles whop were men who were the apostles I don't recall him saying anything about the difference in men and women doing so nor about teaching it.
If a women teaches then are they not doing God's will? if man teaches are they also not doing God's will?
The purpose is to preach and teach the gospel and to edify and build his church and again I have not seen anything Jesus said as to what gender does it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'm not reading into it. Your words:
You basically blamed women pastors for homosexual clergy existing, insinuating, they paved the way, so it's their fault. But do you think of all the horrors of all-male Vatican closet homosexuality and worse, pedophilia. "There's nothing hidden that will not come to light." These people are only at the pulpit now in the open, because they already were at the pulpit, hidden. It was there for a very long time, now in this day and age it is only being revealed.

Then you go on and smear women pastors as "liberal wing" in response to Scribe. There are women with unsound teachings out there (just as men CC is full of them!), but I know of some that teach sound doctrine and that are exemplary at that, from CC Angela comes to mind. I suggest to quit attacking and smearing women pastors for everything that is wrong in the church now, Adam tried this blame others approach and it didn't work out great for him...

It's your (False Claim) I'm attacking any person, God's words are true, I suggest you stop falsely accusing me.

We will disagree, there are no female pastors in the Church ordained by Jesus Christ.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not my words, but God's. I just merely copied and pasted a bunch of scriptures concerning the topic.

The truth is, I find it incredibly difficult since I was always taught that women should be equals to men in American society.

So don't count me a hero yet. I am just as perplexed as a lot of people about a lot of things in the Bible.

Thankfully, God will reveal everything when He takes us home. Hallelujah!

The truth is women aren't equal to men in society, they will change rules and requirements trying to present equality, but a woman physically will never equal a man in strength, it's a God Creation thing.

Take basic construction jobs, concrete, brick, iron work, to mention a few, they removed lifting of 75lbs seen 40 years ago in Job specs, to 30lbs in many places in the country now, to make a place for women in the construction environments.

They have taken the gender thing so far as to have transgender men competing in sanctioned sports against women, crazy!

I have nothing against women, I'm married, just telling it like it is, factual truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

You know Jesus said to preach gospel and while he said this to the apostles whop were men who were the apostles I don't recall him saying anything about the difference in men and women doing so nor about teaching it.
If a women teaches then are they not doing God's will? if man teaches are they also not doing God's will?
The purpose is to preach and teach the gospel and to edify and build his church and again I have not seen anything Jesus said as to what gender does it.

God's words and instruction are very clear.

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be a man and the (Husband) of one wife, women are excluded from these offices.

1 Timothy 3:1-13 King James Version (KJV)
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[John146]

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 1 Tim. 2:12

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. 1 Cor. 14:34

But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor. 11:3

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. Eph. 5:22

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you. Gen 3:16

For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 1 Cor. 11:8

If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 1 Cor. 14:35

Look out! You’re going to be attacked!

 

[surfer14]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

The only female pastor I've ever talked to had this poster in her office:

 

[lenna]

“You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold guiltless anyone who takes his name in vain Exodus 20:7

don't be foolish. maybe get outta the desert.

 

[Dino246]

Are you willing to tell the Creator of the universe His Word doesn't "add up?"

You ain't Him. Your question is a fallacious appeal to authority.

 

[Dino246]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

The only female pastor I've ever talked to had this poster in her office:

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Fallacy: irrelevant application of a single case to an entire population.

 

[Dino246]

Church Order

That's a subtitle. Don't confuse it for Scripture.

26 What should you do then, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each one has a song, has a lesson, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all these things be done for the strengthening of the church. 27 If someone speaks in a tongue, it should be two, or at the most three, one after the other, and someone must interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, he should be silent in the church. Let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Two or three prophets should speak and the others should evaluate what is said. 30 And if someone sitting down receives a revelation, the person who is speaking should conclude. 31 For you can all prophesy one after another, so all can learn and be encouraged. 32 Indeed, the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, 33 for God is not characterized by disorder but by peace.
As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says. 35 If they want to find out about something, they should ask their husbands at home, because it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church. 36 Did the word of God begin with you, or did it come to you alone?

37 If anyone considers himself a prophet or spiritual person, he should acknowledge that what I write to you is the Lord’s command. 38 If someone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So then, brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid anyone from speaking in tongues. 40 And do everything in a decent and orderly manner.

Is this enough "context," or shall I copy and paste all 66 books of the bible for you?

You can cut and paste, and apply bolded font to selected verses... good for you! You still have more work to do in order to understand this passage. Where does "the law" say that women must not speak and/or must be in submission?

The whole "taking verses out of context" thing I would expect from a dyed in the wool atheist, but not from a professing Christian. It is a rather thin argument for rejecting God's Word.

Clearly you haven't taken any training in hermeneutics. Context is the most important tool in the work of biblical interpretation.

I am merely pointing out that we cannot dismiss the scriptures just because we find the words difficult. If we start to pick and choose, we are no better than Satan's Watchtower Society, altering scripture to fit their own doctrines.

The JW practices and beliefs are irrelevant.

I certainly can't say anything on my own accord here. I too find it difficult, just as an example, that God would order the Israelites to march into the land of Canaan and not leave one woman or child breathing.

I find it difficult to imagine Jonah being swallowed by a giant fish and living to tell about it. I find most of Revelation hard to comprehend.

Your incredulity is irrelevant.

But it is what God gave us through His Word. We either accept every word of it or we don't.

I'm not interested in your fallacious arguments. I am wise enough to consider which words are God's, and are to be followed, and which aren't. "Did God really say...?" is also the word of God, but not the words of God.

 

[Dino246]

Your presentation has been spot on, a woman is to keep silent, and not usurp authority over the man, simple!

Firstly, 'usurp authority' is a poor translation of the Greek term. Secondly, a woman who has been appointed to preach has not "usurped" anything!

A Pastor/Bishop/Deacon is to be the husband of one wife, that excludes women

Paul doesn't agree with your statement, as he commended Phoebe, a female deacon. Given that Paul commended a female deacon, your interpretation of Paul's statements to Timothy and Titus must be incorrect.

It's the leftist wing that has entered the church, equal rights, wave the rainbow flags, women and homosexuals behind the pulpits.

Fallacy: non sequitur.

Many denominations have fallen to the present evils, as we move closer to (The End)

Fallacy: irrelevant appeal to fear.