LET THE WOMAN LEARN IN SILENCE - WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MEANS?

[Dino246]

Are you aware that the bible teaches that man the male is glory of God?
OR that woman is the glory of man?

on top of that and previously stated is the husband and wife and what they embody and Christ and the Church.

The act of teaching is considered to be an exercise of authority.
SO they image of a woman teaching a man is the image of the glory of man in authority over the Glory of God.
or the Church in authority over Christ.

Even though we are equally heirs of the Spiritual life in Christ Jesus.
Our physical nature carries with it those things according to the bible.
That will put aside, the male and female aspects of our nature in heaven.

But for now what we do in our bodies speak spiritually and is one of the most powerful testimonies to society of how it works between God and Man, Christ and the Church.

Your argument is based on analogies, not clear statements. As such, it fails because you have ignored other relevant passages such as Galatians 3:28.

Largely because it stands in such stark contrast to the curse that was pronounce on women and between them and men since the fall of mankind.

God cursed the serpent and the ground. He told the woman and the man what the consequences of their sin would be, but He did not "curse" them.

 

[Dino246]

Look out! You’re going to be attacked!

Apparently you consider the criticism of an argument to be criticism of the person making the argument.

If so, you'd be wrong.

 

[surfer14]

Fallacy: irrelevant application of a single case to an entire population.

I notice you're trying to point out a bunch of supposed fallacies, but you didn't give me any examples of all those super conservative female pastors out there. Surely that would be an easy task if such a thing exists? Just name a couple of them. Tell me who is the most conservative female pastor you know of.

 

[Dino246]

I notice you're trying to point out a bunch of supposed fallacies, but you didn't give me any examples of all those super conservative female pastors out there. Surely that would be an easy task if such a thing exists? Just name a couple of them. Tell me who is the most conservative female pastor you know of.

I don't need to name any "super conservative female pastors out there" to demonstrate that your argument is irrelevant. I suggest you do some reading on fallacies so you don't employ them, as you have continued to do here.

 

[surfer14]

LOL! Not even one??

That's why Paul said that women shouldn't lead. He knew where that path would go - whatever their version was of woke gospel/leftism/globo-homo/etc. He wasn't dumb.

 

[lenna]

Can anyone name a female pastor of any church anywhere that isn't preaching a woke gospel of gay-rights, equality, anti-racism, environmentalism, pro-immigration, etc Any of them that aren't into the prosperity gospel? Any that don't preach watered down Christianity?

The only female pastor I've ever talked to had this poster in her office:

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surprised you talked to her at all

but then again she is the only one you ever talked to, according to you

so

expert level: amateur

 

[lenna]

LOL! Not even one??

That's why Paul said that women shouldn't lead. He knew where that path would go - whatever their version was of woke gospel/leftism/globo-homo/etc. He wasn't dumb.

and you do love Paul don't you?

until it comes to the part where Paul says to submit one to another

then Paul suddenly looses all conviction with you

not an uncommon malady with men who prefer there women beneath them with a gag

 

[lenna]

Your argument is based on analogies, not clear statements. As such, it fails because you have ignored other relevant passages such as Galatians 3:28.


God cursed the serpent and the ground. He told the woman and the man what the consequences of their sin would be, but He did not "curse" them.

even if God had cursed them, Jesus became a curse for us when he hung on the cross

therefore, we would be no longer cursed in any effect

 

[lenna]

But for now what we do in our bodies speak spiritually and is one of the most powerful testimonies to society of how it works between God and Man, Christ and the Church.
Largely because it stands in such stark contrast to the curse that was pronounce on women and between them and men since the fall of mankind.

are you cursed? ask God to remove it

But Christ rescued us from the Law’s curse, when he became a curse in our place. This is because the Scriptures say that anyone who is nailed to a tree is under a curse. Galatians 3:13

Christians are not cursed but if they think they are, they can consult the above scripture and others and remove a big weight off of themselves

 

[Magenta]

My Bible says there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus

And that God is no respecter of persons.

 

[tantalon]

Your argument is based on analogies, not clear statements. As such, it fails because you have ignored other relevant passages such as Galatians 3:28.


God cursed the serpent and the ground. He told the woman and the man what the consequences of their sin would be, but He did not "curse" them.

I would like to address Galatians 3:28. This is another scripture that is quoted by women that is misunderstood because of lack of context. The sense, or context begins at verse 22 and addresses ALL people that they are all sinners without exception. All verse 26 and 27 is saying is, is that God is without respect of persons, and salvation is open to anyone on an equal basis. This is nothing about ROLES in the church, of which are filled by the leadership and headship of men, and ordained by God.

 

[garee]

Your argument is based on analogies, not clear statements. As such, it fails because you have ignored other relevant passages such as Galatians 3:28.


God cursed the serpent and the ground. He told the woman and the man what the consequences of their sin would be, but He did not "curse" them.

Yes the Spirit of Christ did not curse them until they violated the letter of the law death . Rather than doing the unseen will of faith they walked by sight . . . the evil generation that seeks after lying wonders .

 

[Lion222]

are you cursed? ask God to remove it

But Christ rescued us from the Law’s curse, when he became a curse in our place. This is because the Scriptures say that anyone who is nailed to a tree is under a curse. Galatians 3:13

Christians are not cursed but if they think they are, they can consult the above scripture and others and remove a big weight off of themselves

Men also are cursed by God after the fall.

Then to Adam He (God) said,
“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, (and not God)
and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying,
‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.
Cursed to labor to survive and provide four you and your family.
Not what was originally intended.

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your labor pains;
with pain you will give birth to children.
You will want to control your husband, but he will dominate you."

that last bit has a few varied understandings.
for example one is: that you desire will be for his position (of authority)
But the part that is clear is the curse has to do with authority struggle.
much like mans and his action to disregard God in listening to his woman.
He takes Gods authority on himself, so now he get to know what he did by having his women doing it to him.

Without submission to Gods authority we are ruled rather then blessed.
That is why you have all of the bible talking about submission, because only submission and obedience to Gods authority can be blessed. Otherwise it is the opposite of being blessed, Cursed.

I think this is how we either bless or curse our relationships.
We can build the up this way or foolishly tear them down, tear each other down.

 

[Lion222]

even if God had cursed them, Jesus became a curse for us when he hung on the cross

therefore, we would be no longer cursed in any effect

So women no long have pain in childbirth?

 

[Lion222]

Your argument is based on analogies, not clear statements. As such, it fails because you have ignored other relevant passages such as Galatians 3:28.


God cursed the serpent and the ground. He told the woman and the man what the consequences of their sin would be, but He did not "curse" them.

I understand wanting to avoid the idea of it being a curse on them but clearly is was the opposite of a blessing. AKA a curse.
Just like anyone who is still operating under the law is under a curse.
I think you are arguing semantics because of how you understand blessing and cursing.

Mans source or domain of authority regarding life, the earth was cursed, cursing him with pain and struggle in labor
Woman's source of domain of authority regarding life, her own body was cursed with pain and struggle in labor
Life became hard, because they both exchanged their source of authority for life to be themselves.

 

[garee]

I would like to address Galatians 3:28. This is another scripture that is quoted by women that is misunderstood because of lack of context. The sense, or context begins at verse 22 and addresses ALL people that they are all sinners without exception. All verse 26 and 27 is saying is, is that God is without respect of persons, and salvation is open to anyone on an equal basis. This is nothing about ROLES in the church, of which are filled by the leadership and headship of men, and ordained by God.

Its spiritually (not seen) about mankind, woman and men as the bride of Christ. As sons of God (mankind) we are not what we will be .We walk by faith not after flesh and blood corrupted mankind. What the eyes see.

Previously before the time of reformation when there were kings in Israel . The women were forbidden from gathering with the men during ceremony of good news the gospel . The shadow or picture to the unbelieving world .

The new testament new ceremonial law the headship parable required both the men to not cover their head of hair and woman must cover her hair In that way as a sign it did point to the unseen glory the holy place of our unseen of God.

If man cover his head of hair or women uncover hers. The spiritual sign of women ( the bride) liberation is made to no effect. And the wall that literally previously separates under Kings that lord it over the people is reconstructed spiritually. That ceremony is all but made to no effect by a few remaining sects. Destroying the woman's liberty of not having a husband lord it over the faith of others. .

Some women in their new freedom got over zealous taking away the virtues of the two working as one. The result of the fall. This is when when man failed to do his part and not protect the bride .

 

[Lion222]

Its spiritually (not seen) about mankind, woman and men as the bride of Christ. As sons of God (mankind) we are not what we will be .We walk by faith not after flesh and blood corrupted mankind. What the eyes see.

Previously before the time of reformation when there were kings in Israel . The women were forbidden from gathering with the men during ceremony of good news the gospel . The shadow or picture to the unbelieving world .

The new testament new ceremonial law the headship parable required both the men to not cover their head of hair and woman must cover her hair In that way as a sign it did point to the unseen glory the holy place of our unseen of God.

If man cover his head of hair or women uncover hers. The spiritual sign of women ( the bride) liberation is made to no effect. And the wall that literally previously separates under Kings that lord it over the people is reconstructed spiritually. That ceremony is all but made to no effect by a few remaining sects. Destroying the woman's liberty of not having a husband lord it over the faith of others. .

Some women in their new freedom got over zealous taking away the virtues of the two working as one. The result of the fall. This is when when man failed to do his part and not protect the bride .

What do you mean by that?

 

[Lion222]

are you cursed? ask God to remove it

But Christ rescued us from the Law’s curse, when he became a curse in our place. This is because the Scriptures say that anyone who is nailed to a tree is under a curse. Galatians 3:13

Christians are not cursed but if they think they are, they can consult the above scripture and others and remove a big weight off of themselves

FYI the law did not come until Moses.
The curse of the law is a different curse.

We are talking about how the fall of man and sin caused God to pronounce over us Men and Women the exact opposite of a blessing.
AKA a curse.

 

[Dino246]

This is nothing about ROLES in the church

Correct, but you should have left it there.

 

[garee]

So women no long have pain in childbirth?

The church revealed in Revelations 12 (the mother of us all) . Like Paul a bride of Christ suffered in labor pain as a surrogate womb. Paul did plant the gospel seed "Christ" in Timothy praying the Holy Spirit who give new spirit life.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

A beautiful parable is set aside that reveals the church, the bride of Christ, the chaste virgin. She is pictured on the last day. The sun and moon as temporal corruption time keepers have been made useless .

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.