Not By Works

I don't have much time so I am not being exact but will get you all the scripture you need this evening if you like so don't hold me to perfection this is all just off the top of my head
Satan hasn't died, he is being held by Michael in heaven accusing day and night until the war in heaven and he and his angels are cast to earth where he will have but a short time. the hour of temptation. At the beginning of the Lords day he will be bound and put in the pit where people will ask " is this the man that deceived the world" and he will be loosed a short time at the end of the millennium to deceive who he can and at the end of that will be cast into the lake of fire. The angels are also being held and none will die until the end of the millennium when the lake of fire appears at the great throne judgment. God is the God of the living not the dead. No one has died, just left their flesh corruptible bodies and put on their incorruptible bodies. If you do not understand the beginning you can not understand the end. Tell me, when did Satan go bad? Why is God telling Job that as He was creating the earth that all the sons and stars shouted for joy and sang in the morning?

CHAPTER AND VERSE ON THAT? Satan had eternal life uhh WHAT?

Mamma mia, its time for me to take a break again.

can you explain to me spiritual death, what that means?

God told Adam, the moment he eats of the tree, he will die. die he not die spiritually?

Satan is dead as we speak. His soul may be consious yet that will continue forever. In this case one could day everyone has eternal life.

But is that what God promised us?

No Adam did not die spiritually, he was pronounce die a physical death. The spiritual death is at the 2nd death. Fear not those who can kill the body but Him that can kill both physical and spiritual. I will go look for it now. Satan stands behind God right now accusing us day and night to God.

Satan stands behind God right now accusing us day and night to God.

maybe one day when i learn how to organize my thoughts i will write a post here about all those lose your salvation verses i used to struggle with

my issue was when i was reading them, i was lazer focused on it like "it says what it says" and i just forgot all the rest of the bible and only read that verse. i didnt think about all the verses about God keeping us, no one being able to snatch us, nothing separating us from His love, Him starting and finishing our faiths etc. all that verses where just erased from my mind and it was just "some shall depart from the faith" so thats why you got to be careful now or you will lose it.

im not a scholar im a drop out. but if some salvation loser wants to bring individual verses i can try to talk about them to best of how i know. that way its easier and i dont need to organize a list.

So what are you trusting in for salvation? Christ alone or Christ + works? If you were standing at the gates of heaven right now and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer?

I disagree

He was separated from God at this point, and had to be restored to life. (this is what spiritual death means, it means there is a barrier between God and man, and the relationship has been severed)

we know this by how he reacted (the things of God became foolishness to him)

Yes, he was separated from God because of the "sin and now sinful nature of the flesh". I think the misunderstanding is in the "spiritual death" part. I just have the understanding that all "beings" are souls and the "spirit" is the "personality and intellect of that soul"


Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
Matthew 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law.

I really think you have misunderstood the entire argument and what @gb9, @dcontroversal and myself have been stating.

And Mr. M...... I am finding you have not always been consistent, there have been times I do believe you have stated works are a necessity to prove salvation, or must be a result of salvation.

The dividing point is not time .....but the understanding between "should" and "will"

Soon as someone states works prove salvation or works will follow salvation (with of course the caveat if they are truly saved) they have made works part of salvation there is no way around this although people refuse to see it.

I think evidence is one thing proof positive is another....so yes I would agree.

AMEN......and he still rejects the verbiage of the bible

To him that works NOT, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly <--HIS faith is counted for righteousness......

To him that works not is clear.

Regardless of any any all that say we must have works or we are not saved

5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

We cannot earn/work for salvation, therefore salvation is distinct from service, it has to be otherwise we are trying to pay back God for what was freely given.

I really, really, really agree with the last line especially!!!

5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

We cannot earn/work for salvation, therefore salvation is distinct from service, it has to be otherwise we are trying to pay back God for what was freely given.

I really, really, really agree with the last line especially!!!

Feeling a bit down today but just read in my devotion: "I will never leave you nor forsake you." Just what I needed to read. Guess what? I didn't have to do one single "work" either.

Justification by faith...check. Agree. But where does it say that we are justified for the purpose of disobeying Christ’s commands? For if you are not loving your neighbor enough to tell him or her about Jesus, you are neither keeping his command or His Word

When you are saved, you receive a new nature. If you try to change a dog int a cat, and it still barks, then it could be a matter of no change of nature

5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

We cannot earn/work for salvation, therefore salvation is distinct from service, it has to be otherwise we are trying to pay back God for what was freely given.

I really, really, really agree with the last line especially!!!

You don’t have to tell your neighbor about Jesus. You can pray, asking God to open their heart and eyes to Him.