Works can NEVER earn salvation

I know I did not miss understand so let us try another way;
Please explain why the following scriptures does not require water baptism?;

Mark 1:4 tells us that baptism is for the remission of sins....."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Acts 2; 38-40.... Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....."save yourself".

Acts 22;16..... (Saul required to be baptized)...."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."

Matt.3;11...

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [] and fire.

Matt 3;14,15... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fullfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


Matt., 28: 18-20... And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Mark 16;16... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I Peter 3;21....... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

John 3:5.... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Gal 3;26-27..... For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ

Acts 2: 38-40.... Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the [a]remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this [b]perverse generation

Acts 9; 14,15,16,18..... And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.
18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 8:12...... But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 19:5-6..... When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom. 6;3,4...know ye not,that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 ....Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: like Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

There are more.
But, if you don't accept these of G-d's word no others will help you, probably.

I wasn't screaming! You seem not to hear what others say !

I think it means these guys need to know what repentance is from a book because the Holy Spirit
has not given them conviction of sin, and their hearts are not humbled before the King, so they
just agree with God and carry on sinning. And this great revelation is Gods Holy Spirit setting them
free to know His salvation while sinning without restraint.

Reading the story of Nineveh that is the picture I am not getting. But then these kind of disconnects
do not happen because some other dispensational excuse will be used to say things are different now
sin is forgiven for the world etc. I suppose if you live alone and you can no longer hurt anyone because
they have all left, you can invent whatever you like and it really does make sense.

God bless you, do not let them get to you, they really are unplugged at some fundamental levels,
even when compared to non-believers......


Thank you.
They won't get to me...I have G-d and scripture on my side.
Praise G-d.

Half those verses speak of spirit baptism not water

Non of them say water baptism saves

Maybe you need to study Greek?

Half those verses speak of spirit baptism not water
Non of them say water baptism saves
Maybe you need to study Greek?

That is simply...not true.

Folks can read and they see your lame position. Doesn't that concern you...without even considering G-d...?

Further you appear to be of the opinion that works are not allowed as a righteous life style Christian.

Care to show us that in scriptures?

I wish not to pin you down to close........... because you will fail on that one also.

Hi Fred,
Thanks for the insight into what repentance is and is not.
I look at things the other way around. A repentant soul looks at what they have done and regrets it.
They dearly wish they could undo the evil they have done and put things right and not go down that
path again. Now many of us have gone through these steps and emotions and know the feelings and
desires. It is really this simple, yet you want to take a passage and analyse it etc.

It makes me think some people learn theology from a book and teachers and not basic relationship
realities. My heart is greived for you to be reduced to this sorry state, and literally not be aware of
it. God bless you, may He open your eyes and bring you to repentance, Amen.

Umm, I just learned them from the Books of Book, the Bible. I just gave sense to the word you want me explain. Godly sorrow leads to repentance (change of mind...) Praying you also that God enlighten you and bring you to repentance.

God cares,

Dear reader, there is always an assumption of innocence and a believer must be sincerely holding a
reasonable position, dealing with someone who is obviously not understanding a simple point.

But some learn how to create this feeling and words, when it is they themselves who are absurd.
I can believe anything, and be convinced it is true no matter what others put forward, like flat earth believers.
The feeling of knowing the truth which others dumb brainwashed individuals cannot handle is addictive.
It is a feeling, it does not make it true or real.

Imagine this. God can put importance wherever He likes, literally. He is the creator. We love to suggest how
things are because of our perceptions and understanding. This does not make it real, it is though a good working
approach.

So various odd things. Baptism, the washing of water for the forgiveness of sins. Communion, the breaking of bread and
drinking of wine. The temple with holy incense, the blood sprinkled everywhere. The bronze snake that when seen
cured people of snake bites sent as judgement for rebellion.
This is very physical and ceremonial, while Jesus is very faith and repentance orientated, removing most of these
physical manifestations of faith.

This forum illustrates if you remove everything and make it attitude or in your head alone, people abandon all
meaning and significance and put it completely on God, Jesus. Even repentance becomes just acknowledging God
and His attitudes, or maybe just God.

As physical creatures, God leaves enough for us to have to show faith by action, because unless faith works, causes
things to change it is not faith at all. And those who hate working faith, attack any obligation, no matter how small,
that suggests God expects action. Why? Because this differentiates between Gods people who have a changed heart
and those who have words but reside in hardness of heart and a refined theology. God bless you.

Dear reader, make no mistake about it, the religious hate it when their cover for
sin is removed.

What will happen to them if they have to face their unresolved feeling and actions
of the past and all the religious doctrines they so carefully have constructed fall
apart.

The truth is if people repent and get right with God, revival, renewal and the anointing
of the Holy Spirit.

What is at stake here? Unconfessed sin and emotional chaos that is ruling peoples lives
and simply not believing in the power of the cross to transform and truly save.

People have been religious so long, they have lost the ability to be real and face who they
are, which is something they have been running away from their whole lives.

The pharisees who had to face this, did one thing. They killed Jesus.
So I expect nothing less from unrepentant sinners who hate the truth.

Hmmm, more anger. How sad.

There is a real lesson here. Do not engage with the enemy when their intent is only provocation
and slander. It is not difficult be behave like this, and our hearts in Christ believe a believer would
not follow this path. But that is the point, remove the word believer and put in its place the enemy.

Once you see everything is said for harm, how would you deal with that rude, obnoxious, irritating
boy in the class room, whose only intention is to push the limits of whats ok, and has no intention
of anything sensible. And it is sad that such people exist with such animosity against the Lords
people, but they do and they feel it is their place to put down these hypocritical liars and workers
for salvation. Some are foolish enough to declare their intention to destroy another, which should
simply warn them their love and faith have left the building and their true nature is showing.

God bless you all, and may Jesus's love continue to grow in your hearts day by day, Amen.

Integrity of discussion



In every discussion if one is not prepared to leave changed why claim to engage

and not just admit you will state your position and leave. That is fine.



Each statement needs to be something one can hold to and declare.

One also needs to accept all the concepts can be reworded and the truth remain

the same, this is not adulterating the truth, but presenting it in different contexts.



The objective is to come to a conclusion.



I see the real problem is if ones position is clearly defined, the light shone on it and

it does not look good, you will feel bad. That is the reality. Calling people names,

attacking them, claiming it is some spiritual set up does not change reality.

God never changes or His realities. Either come to terms with them today or meet

Him when you die, the Lord is still the same.



He is Holy, Righteous, the judger of all and redeemer of those who love Him and

walk in His ways.

Remember, This guys tried to claim he is not a former banned member, Yet as MANY have shown, there is no getting around it, they do the same stuff.. “Dear Reader” is something all three of his identities have used (2 of which are banned)

Dear Reader,
What are you praying and hoping for today?

Of course, I am not talking about YOU, dear Reader. I am talking about that other guy or gal... and you know who I mean because you feel the same way. LOL

Notice a second form of communication which is identical in all three usernames. They start a paragraph with a BOLDED title. Then explain
Just hope peterjens AKA FollowHisSteps know he is not fooling anyone

What is true is you like so many of your buddies are so far out of touch with reality that you are hearing things that no one is saying. Maybe its your upbringing? Maybe its what you have been tought and had pounded into you for many years?

Two things are true....
1. You did not hear that nonsense from God
2. You have never heard that nonsense from any of us.

So if you want to keep believing in lies and continue to slander people with those lies. Then feel free.. just know. God and the world are watching you. When you promote moral living, then lie like its nothing.. your pretty much proving yourself to by a hypocrite and you become untrustworthy