Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

So the argument for OSAS is that salvation is a gift (Eph. 2:8) and since "the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable" (Rom. 11:29) then that means that OSAS (eternal security) is true.

If that is true, I suggested two more "truths":

First one:
I Cor. 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

So circumcision or uncircumcision is a "calling" and if the "gifts and calling" of God are irrevocable (Rom. 11:29 )then we will be circumcised or uncircumcised in heaven as we are here on Earth.

Second one:
And prophecy is a gift - and since the "gifts and calling of God" are irrevocable then that means if you have the gift of prophecy now you will have it for all eternity. !!! ??? but this is not what I Corinthians 13 says about prophecy: Verse 8 says: "But where there are prophecies, they will cease;"

Obviously there are problems with both of these: and like I said in an earlier post there are many more "truths" that we can find by stringing the words of different verses together.

You can see above for the conversation I had with dcontroversal about this: he hasn't answered . . . except for just reiterating that OSAS is true!

This post is not so much about arguing for or against OSAS. My major concern is that our doctrine comes from a clear straight forward understanding of Scripture in the context in which it is written, and does not come from stringing verses together.

Here is what I believe about forgiveness of sins:

(1) Jesus died for the sins of the entire world - that is - his death makes forgiveness of sins available to all who come to him in faith

(2) When a person comes to Christ in faith all of their past sins are forgiven because of Jesus' shed blood.

(3) When a Christian commits a sin (and Christians do sin sometimes ) that sin is forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ. God does not hold the sin of a believer against him: it is immediately and completely covered by the blood of Jesus - I John 1:9 - he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins


The basis of forgiveness is always the blood of Jesus Christ. I am not forgiven because I obey, repent, etc. Now, of course, when the believer understands his sin, the normal response is to repent and mourn over that sin.

My belief is different than the typical OSAS understanding because that understanding says all of our sins were past, present, and future were forgiven either when Jesus died (5 point Calvinism) or when we were justified (OSAS only). I find no reference to the forgiveness of future sins in the Bible. My sins are forgiven daily and moment by moment as I commit them, and as long as I am in Christ I have this promise of forgiveness and eternal life.

Hallelujah and praise the Lord for His sacrifice, for His love, and for His mercy!

They are not losers brother. Just mixed up in their thinking. Some have been truly saved, yet haven't had the revelation yet of just exactly who they are NOW. Which are His Children.
They are also confused that their Father loves them. And NOTHING can separate them from His Love!

Romans 8:38-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other CREATED THING, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


WE ARE CREATED BEINGS!

They are not losers brother. Just mixed up in their thinking. Some have been truly saved, yet haven't had the revelation yet of just exactly who they are NOW. Which are His Children.
They are also confused that their Father loves them. And NOTHING can separate them from His Love!

Romans 8:38-39 New King James Version (NKJV)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other CREATED THING, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


WE ARE CREATED BEINGS!

OK, you can say I am mixed up in my thinking if you want to, but please know that I understand and experience the peace, joy, and love of Jesus. God bless you, brother.

"Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine, oh what a foretaste of glory divine"
That is my story and song. PTL!

Do you believe in Jesus Christ today? If so, you are saved!
If you do not believe in Jesus Christ today you are not saved.

Why make this thing harder than it is!

Here is what I believe about forgiveness of sins:

(1) Jesus died for the sins of the entire world - that is - his death makes forgiveness of sins available to all who come to him in faith

(2) When a person comes to Christ in faith all of their past sins are forgiven because of Jesus' shed blood.

(3) When a Christian commits a sin (and Christians do sin sometimes ) that sin is forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ. God does not hold the sin of a believer against him: it is immediately and completely covered by the blood of Jesus - I John 1:9 - he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins


The basis of forgiveness is always the blood of Jesus Christ. I am not forgiven because I obey, repent, etc. Now, of course, when the believer understands his sin, the normal response is to repent and mourn over that sin.

My belief is different than the typical OSAS understanding because that understanding says all of our sins were past, present, and future were forgiven either when Jesus died (5 point Calvinism) or when we were justified (OSAS only). I find no reference to the forgiveness of future sins in the Bible. My sins are forgiven daily and moment by moment as I commit them, and as long as I am in Christ I have this promise of forgiveness and eternal life.

Hallelujah and praise the Lord for His sacrifice, for His love, and for His mercy!

Wait, you mean it is possible for someone to have faith in Jesus, but because he took the mark of the beast later, he will not be saved in the end?

So it is actually possible to lose salvation then?

My view.....all sins of a believer are covered and preemptively forgiven in Christ and covered under the blood of Christ.....the act of repentance in a believer is for the sake of restored fellowship between the one in sin and Christ and the body.

Where sin abounds grace abounds the more

If we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from all sin.

."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present".

Can you still be saved according to OSAS, even when you follow another Gospel?

I came to God 7 years ago. I believed in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. I said sorry "change of mind" for my sins. I believed in the imputed Righteousness of Christ, thought I was forgiven for my past present and future sins, had a relationship with Jesus.

When I came to Jesus on ______ lost the actual date, I was sealed with the holy spirit (A seal that cant be reversed).

I lived a lifestyle of ungodliness after I was saved, was I saved?

*Some on here tell me I wasnt saved(never saved to begin with).
But you then tell me I was sealed (A seal that cant be broken).

Why wasnt the holy spirit, doing the work in me for over 3 years?

Why did I bear absolutely no fruit with the holy spirit in me?

Am I still saved will following another Gospel?

You tell me I am sealed by the holy spirit (nothing can break that seal I received 7 years ago on that special day I came to jesus.

So am I saved still, even though I follow another Gospel now?.

Not scriptural. I pray those who read your ;post validate your statements with scripture.
Why do you avoid this...."sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present".
what is it you do not understand about straightforward language?

I have a question for preston39, nat2019, Guojing, FollowHisSteps, and maybe chester, and whoever else I forgot to list ...

You seem strongly attached to your doctrine, my question is, were you ever tempted to stray from your own doctrine even once, if so, what caused you to question your own doctrine and did you consider it as a possible weakness to the doctrine you believe?

Wrong

Repentance is the english translation of the greek metanioa, Although people have added to the interpretation. It is not found in the greek. We MUST us the greek translation over any english translation. The english can not over rule the greek. Like many wish it to do.

Okay, I'm wrong. Now, what is the point you are trying to make between the two? What is "repentance" and what is "metanioa"?

I responded to your question back in the thread as well

Okay, I'll go find it.........

Undergrace - You cannot reject a statement

"Repentance is to leave the sin
That we had loved before
and show that we are grieved by it
by doing it no more"

by saying it is wrong, followed by "Metanoia ... not the word repentance, big difference. "

Part of repentance is changing our minds, because sinners do not accept Gods righteous ways,
and the first step is to change our minds and accept Gods ways are the ways of life.

But if one accepts Gods ways are the ways of life, then you would walk them and no longer
walk in sin.

So this means nothing, literally. There is always love and grace in Jesus, but also judgement
and righteousness. Every day people die, because of our sinful lost world.
God is not this fluffy, safe, everything is ok no matter what we do or say or believe because we
have this ticket. Yes if we repent, He will relent as He did with Nineveh, but only if we repent
and have faith in Him.

Okay, I'll go find it.........