Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

Nope, we have a dual nature, we have the righteousness of Christ and the flesh.

Sorry where do it say the in the bible? Everything you wrote about being eternally secure.

But the bible says the mind set on the flesh is death, the mind set on the spirit is life and peace. Put to death the sinful nature. Put to death the misdeads of the body by the spirit.

Oh, my! There is another difference we have; but that is OK - I like your spirit and zeal for God's kingdom!

When a person is "born again", the old nature (old man) died with Christ, and the new nature in Christ Jesus is resurrected (see Romans 6:1-12 and Eph. 2:4-6). The believer is a new person in Christ Jesus (II Cor. 5:17). We still have the flesh to be sure; but that is quite different from the old (sin) nature. We do not have a "dual nature"; we are a new person at the spirit level, but at the level of the flesh we still have a daily battle to live righteously for our Redeemer King.

So, exactly right that Christ within us cannot sin! When we sin, it is our fault and our choice because we choose to follow the "flesh". So this is the war between the spirit and the flesh that Paul talks of in Romans 6-8.

Do you think the parable of the sower has any relevancy to that statement?

23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 Peter 1:23

Salvation is a gift.

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are o beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as q you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now 5 receive mercy. 32 For God r has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
Romans 10

Where does it say that in the bible?

Is this the scripture?

Yes the old nature and the flesh are different

Actually I agree completely, I like the way you have explained here better than stating a "dual nature"
Certainly one is the spiritual and the other the flesh.

Sorry I think it's time for me to go to bed now, as you can see my tiredness is affecting my replys and grammar. Goodnight everyone

I have wondered the same actually, I think that the parable speaks to how people respond to the word of God, but not about losing salvation.

As for the phrase I bolded above ^ , where else besides Colossians 3:5 is this phrase [/Grk word] used? :

Colossians 3:5 -

Berean Study Bible -
Put to death [aorist imperative active], therefore, the components of your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry.

Berean Literal Bible -
Therefore put to death [aorist imperative active] the members which are upon the earth: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry,


... just curious.


[P.S. I do not believe the doctrine of "one naturism" is accurate biblically]

So we agree on most everything . . .

You are worried about me because I might quit having faith in Jesus and thus might "lose" my salvation! You think I should believe in OSAS so that I have assurance of salvation, and rest, and peace in Jesus!

But I have no worry about that: my faith is secure: I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day!

I am worried about you because if your security is in OSAS, then you cannot have assurance of salvation. If you should start sinning too much, and your works do not match up to your faith, then OSAS people will tell you that were never born again. So if you believe in OSAS you must maintain good works in order to have assurance of salvation.

Now if your belief is focused on Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection, then your faith is secure! (No matter whether you believe in OSAS or whether you do not believe in OSAS).

But from what I perceive I think your faith is in Jesus Christ, not in OSAS - so I think we both have eternal life!

Want to add to my comment Trusting in Christ as well. Also praying that he helps me turn away from my sins everyday. Relying on his strength to help me everyday and allowing his holy spirit to change me. Meditating on his word- being renewed in the "spirit on my mind".

Whether we go with "justified" or "make righteous" it is still a decree by God and we are put in right standing with Him.

This is God's decree not ours and therefore cannot be undone by our actions since our actions/works did not accomplish or contribute to this "right standing"

Sorry not sure what you are talking about?

But remember there is also a scripture- who ever does what is right is righteous (Work)

There's two sides. So thats why I say read all scriptures about righteousness and other issues so they can be put together as a whole. A bit like puzzle.

Enjoyed the interaction - but need to go on to other things the rest of the day - God bless . . .

Which one?