Israel.

[Beekeeper]

True, because they are deceived. The worst part is that they are unteachable. Truth just bounces off them.

You just tried to tell a person who's grandparents were called Palestinians since their birth that Palestinians don't exist.
Everyone in your religious echo chamber seems to agree with you.
But, for some shocking reason your information just seems to bounce off that person despite all your careless theological interpretations, and highly politicized distortions of history.
He must be on the way to hell.

 

[Beekeeper]

Read history and you will.

If I wanted to understand the American civil war the first thing I would be trying to find out about is every relevant financial transaction.
Truth is not cheap.
If it is not valuable enough to us to put in the necessary work we will be the ones deceived.
The Bible was not written for lazy thinkers either.

 

[Beekeeper]

In a sad, and backward kinda way, I almost like the Israel and Jew bashers here, and around the Globe.

Scripture says it would be that way just before Christ returns.

It will be interesting to see if they are indeed considered Jesus' Brethren in light of their treatment of His Blood Brethren.

Penn, I have a spiritual brother in Christ who comes from a family that follows Rabbi Schneersen.
His parents have lived in "Israel" for part of their lives, but no longer agree with the idea of it.
They have sought a better life in Australia, along with many other religious Jews like them.
My friend was "disowned" from that family after he believed in Jesus.
Disowning Christian children has been an age old tradition in some of these sects.
Him and I share very similar theological views on what the Israel of God is, and neither of us believe that modern Israel is a Christian cause.
I find it interesting that you would speculate about us being not being in the family of Jesus, and I think about it from the point of view of my friend.
He has gone from being a chosen blood brother in your eyes to a complete nobody.

I also hope that you re-consider the thought that you are in the company of Jew bashers here.
As far as I can tell those of us that people who believe in a spiritual Israel have the best interests of the Jews at heart.

 

[Beekeeper]

You telling me about logic? Palestinians do not exist. I can call myself a goldfish; it does not make me one. So called "Palestinians" have a perfectly good name. They are Arabs.

You will answer to God for your lies and slander of Israel and the Jews. I hope you wake up to yourself before it comes to that.

Should we let the people of Lebanon be named after their own place?
Seems a bit political really doesn't it?
What if "Israel" wants to invade Lebanon.
Would they just become Arabs too?
Surely the jaffa oranges can still be named after their own place though.
Oranges are not human and should therefore have rights.
So now my Father and Grandparents are Arabs, and here's me thinking I am a white guy.
I will call my next goldfish "Israel", because then it can have your blessing and support.

 

[HeIsHere]

You don't need to be an expert, which you aren't either. Genocide is done with intent. If you intend to kill someone you don't call them and tell them you're coming. A two year old can understand that.

Your reductionist thinking is impressive.

 

[HeIsHere]

There is no judgment or condemnation in Christ. Not believing what you believe is not sin. You're proclaiming a false gospel

In their theology the advent of Christ is tertiary, maybe even further back, they are the ones who should be concerned.
The land issue was settled prior to the advent of Christ, they proclaim no good news with confidence which makes it even worse.

They create a net loss for Christianity.

 

[HeIsHere]

True, because they are deceived. The worst part is that they are unteachable. Truth just bounces off them.

When you find the prophet to whom God spoke to lead them back to the land then we will believe you.
Until then your have a faulty understanding of eschatology and Christ Jesus was quite clear.... "this generation" those in His company.

Basic hermeneutics which apparently Scofiled, Darby and others worked very hard to suppress to start the long years of indoctrination.

 

[HeIsHere]

No issues if you read the Word and believe what it's saying.

He stated very clearly ... "when YOU see these things" "this generation."

Was He lying to His audience?
So really then, who is not believing? smh!!!!

 

[HeIsHere]

You just tried to tell a person who's grandparents were called Palestinians since their birth that Palestinians don't exist.
Everyone in your religious echo chamber seems to agree with you.
But, for some shocking reason your information just seems to bounce off that person despite all your careless theological interpretations, and highly politicized distortions of history.
He must be on the way to hell.

As I once stated, you are pouring a lot of time and effort onto captured minds.

On other threads we have presented indisputable proof of what happened during the Nakba, who formed the Z****t movement, how it was funded, how WWI and the pencil lines on a map by the Britain and France created the nations in the middle east, etc., etc., and they still soldiered on in their fantasy as if this was a direct act of God.

I can tell you for certain they will die in this unbelief, or God will have to act directly upon them, which He is under no obligation to do since scripture makes it very clear ..... "do not be deceived."

There are no argument, no facts, no proof you can present.

This is the nature of what happens to the mind, heart and soul when one succumbs to false teachings, it is impenetrable by reason and critical analysis.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Jesus made clear his brethren are those who do the will of God. What do you think his response will be towards those who claim his name, but engage in idolatry?

God is never surprised about anything because he knows what the future holds. He knows the end from the beginning. God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 33:28). Most of the scriptures that refer to Israel are actually have reference to Jacob/Israel. Jacob/Israel represents all of God's elect (Rom 9:6-16).. The remnant of Jacob/Israel have been revealed the knowledge of the truths in Jesus's doctrine and the rest of Jacob/Israel were blinded because they turned away from God and began to worship idols (Rom 11:5-8 ) (Ezekiel 6: 5-8) Those that worshiped idols were a part of Jacob/Israel (spiritual Israel) of whom Christ died for and promised them the inheritance of eternal heaven.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.

“And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:”

old covenant was made with the tribes of isreal

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In revelation immediately after you see people from all nations shouting about salvation and the lamb ?

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s who the new covenant is made with

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-

a that’s why the second group is shooting the theme from the gospel and the first group is only the sealed of Israel they had a covenant first and then he made another with them and everyone else

First group first testament second group the gospel shouting a new song of the lamb first group only israel the people of the first covenant second group of all nations and languages and peoples because the gospel was sent to all people the new covenant

 

[WiselyWoven]

From the OP:

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

That hackneyed statement can be found posted on virtually every "Christian" forum.

The problem is one of identity.

Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and kindred people are true Israel.

Israel = Is + ra + el, which means children ruling with their father - a definition not to be found in your Jew-ified concordance.

Strong's #2453 was changed to "Jew." In John 8:33, those Judeans are not Israelites. Jesus was not a Jew; Jesus was a Galilean or Nazarene.

Churches that teach the Jews are Israel are teaching satanism. Christianity and Judaism are irreconcilable opposites, enemies of each other, ppl today are completely deluded. About 90% of those who call themselves Jews are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews from Khazaria (called Ukraine today).

Those who call themselves Jews are not Israelites and never will be God's chosen people. It turns out the Ashkenazi Jews are not descendents of Ashkenaz. Gen. 10:3 shows that he had two other brothers (his brother Togarmah is actually the descendents of what we call 90% of the Jews today). They are not in the line of Jacob therefore are not Israelites.

The bible isn't about the Jews; it's about the Israelites. Those that call themselves Jews know this and are doing everything they can in their power to destroy true Israel with wars, fake pandemics, race mixing, perversions, drugs, degradation of the education system, a communist indoctrination system, and the list goes on and on. The teachings of the Talmud are perverse.

As Christians, we've been in a war ever since the crucifixion. This is a war for survival; Satan's children will rule or God's children will rule. There is no in-between. It's not just God's people Israel they wish to subjugate or destroy, but all goyim/non-Jews, including blacks, browns, yellows, all other ppl's of our world.

 

[Gideon300]

Should we let the people of Lebanon be named after their own place?
Seems a bit political really doesn't it?
What if "Israel" wants to invade Lebanon.
Would they just become Arabs too?
Surely the jaffa oranges can still be named after their own place though.
Oranges are not human and should therefore have rights.
So now my Father and Grandparents are Arabs, and here's me thinking I am a white guy.
I will call my next goldfish "Israel", because then it can have your blessing and support.

The name Lebanon emerged around 2900 BC. Modern Lebanon was created about 1920. Tell me when Palestine was created. You can't, because "Palestine" is a construct courtesy of the terrorist Yasser Arafat in about 1963. It has zero basis in law or history.

When you find the prophet to whom God spoke to lead them back to the land then we will believe you.
Until then your have a faulty understanding of eschatology and Christ Jesus was quite clear.... "this generation" those in His company.

Basic hermeneutics which apparently Scofiled, Darby and others worked very hard to suppress to start the long years of indoctrination.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be a happy, happy man.

 

[Gideon300]

From the OP:

That hackneyed statement can be found posted on virtually every "Christian" forum.

The problem is one of identity.

Anglo Saxon, Scandinavian and kindred people are true Israel.

Israel = Is + ra + el, which means children ruling with their father - a definition not to be found in your Jew-ified concordance.

Strong's #2453 was changed to "Jew." In John 8:33, those Judeans are not Israelites. Jesus was not a Jew; Jesus was a Galilean or Nazarene.

Churches that teach the Jews are Israel are teaching satanism. Christianity and Judaism are irreconcilable opposites, enemies of each other, ppl today are completely deluded. About 90% of those who call themselves Jews are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews from Khazaria (called Ukraine today).

Those who call themselves Jews are not Israelites and never will be God's chosen people. It turns out the Ashkenazi Jews are not descendents of Ashkenaz. Gen. 10:3 shows that he had two other brothers (his brother Togarmah is actually the descendents of what we call 90% of the Jews today). They are not in the line of Jacob therefore are not Israelites.

The bible isn't about the Jews; it's about the Israelites. Those that call themselves Jews know this and are doing everything they can in their power to destroy true Israel with wars, fake pandemics, race mixing, perversions, drugs, degradation of the education system, a communist indoctrination system, and the list goes on and on. The teachings of the Talmud are perverse.

As Christians, we've been in a war ever since the crucifixion. This is a war for survival; Satan's children will rule or God's children will rule. There is no in-between. It's not just God's people Israel they wish to subjugate or destroy, but all goyim/non-Jews, including blacks, browns, yellows, all other ppl's of our world.

Israel exists according to God's plan and purpose. That is the truth whether you like it or not. And that is what replacement believers reject. You do know that the word "Christian" is not Biblical? It was coined by unbelievers in Antioch as an insult. So you should quit calling yourself Christian. Otherwise, quit nitpicking over words.

 

[Beekeeper]

The name Lebanon emerged around 2900 BC. Modern Lebanon was created about 1920. Tell me when Palestine was created. You can't, because "Palestine" is a construct courtesy of the terrorist Yasser Arafat in about 1963. It has zero basis in law or history.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be a happy, happy man.

You would have done well to at least look it up in something before getting smug.
Here is the Wikipedia reference, that is pretty mainstream.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine

Summary:
Earliest known Egyptian reference: 1150BC. the word is "Paleset", attributed to a people of a neighboring region.
Earliest Assyrian reference: 800BC, "Palashtu", attributed to the same people and region.
The Biblical "Philistines" are often (rightly and wrongly) associated with the same people, but "Philistines" is used freely in the Bible as a reference to people of other nations dwelling in the holy land.
Earliest Greek reference: "Palestine" 5th Century BC, in writings of Herodotus.
Romans renamed the region of the Jews "Palestina" after crushing the Jewish uprising of 2nd Century AD.

So lets not forget that God has brought both judgement and mercy on all people (including the Hebrews) throughout the ages, and none of it is cemented in stone.
Lets not pretend that the New Testament has not happened.

The Romans also invented the name "Christian", (Acts 11:26) probably to mock the followers of Jesus, and as we can see names stick.
Palestinians who opposed the British mandate preferred to associate themselves with the Turkish Government.
You build a weak argument against the existence of Palestine based on their protests of those who lost the war that promised independence.
I am sure that you know that the mandate was also fought for by Palestinians, alongside poor Australian diggers.
The fact that people in your religious camp teach each other not to acknowledge the name of these people in a testimony to much darkness in your soul.
The fact is that very serious crimes have been committed by Israeli terrorists against Palestinians, and by doing this you cover for the crimes, thereby incriminating yourself also.
So what line of defense would you be setting up against this allegation?
"How can there be massacres, rapes and torturing of tooth fairies when tooth fairies do not exist?"

 

[God-fearing]

When you find the prophet to whom God spoke to lead them back to the land then we will believe you.
Until then your have a faulty understanding of eschatology and Christ Jesus was quite clear.... "this generation" those in His company.

Basic hermeneutics which apparently Scofiled, Darby and others worked very hard to suppress to start the long years of indoctrination.

Jesus said I'm the good shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, I have come for the lost sheep of Israel.
I think we found your prophet.
If you want to underestimate God's abilities be my guest. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
If you think for one moment that all the jews weren't looking for there messiah from 70ad and on after all that they went through your Sadly mistaken.
All of what they went through had to come to pass. No other people ever went through the atrocities that the nation of Israel has endured. Unimaginable cruelty, but yet remained in the hope of the promise. Not just a neighboring enemy but the whole world turned against them.
Would you ever have the boldness to stand up and say you were a jew back then? How about now?
Would you have the boldness to come back to a land your ancestors once had with just the clothes on your back surrounded by your enemies ? To a place that was desolate. Hostile, being hated yet standing on a promise of the almighty mighty God that it will be fruitful.
This my friend is one of the most encouraging steps of faith this world has ever seen.
Forget the political garbage, the conspiracy theories for one moment and think of the courage it took to uproot and leave where you are
With your whole family to a place most never been to a desolate waste land and call it home, and thank God for it in song and dance while your enemies were loading up thinking they were ducks in a pond.

 

[Beekeeper]

"God is not done with Israel yet."

That hackneyed statement can be found posted on virtually every "Christian" forum.

The statement is similar to "climate change" in that it has become very popular just for its vagueness.
Standing in front of a congregation full of people with conflicting ideas about what they think God would call "Israel", and diverse expectations of what He will do with it, the statement can be safely proclaimed.
All the heads will nod in meerly mouthed agreement while all the minds understand the statement differently.
Having set the psychological atmosphere of consent, the next step is to proceed gently but firmly in introducing the brain virus.

And yes, the climate definitely does change.

 

[Gideon300]

You would have done well to at least look it up in something before getting smug.
Here is the Wikipedia reference, that is pretty mainstream.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine

Summary:
Earliest known Egyptian reference: 1150BC. the word is "Paleset", attributed to a people of a neighboring region.
Earliest Assyrian reference: 800BC, "Palashtu", attributed to the same people and region.
The Biblical "Philistines" are often (rightly and wrongly) associated with the same people, but "Philistines" is used freely in the Bible as a reference to people of other nations dwelling in the holy land.
Earliest Greek reference: "Palestine" 5th Century BC, in writings of Herodotus.
Romans renamed the region of the Jews "Palestina" after crushing the Jewish uprising of 2nd Century AD.

So lets not forget that God has brought both judgement and mercy on all people (including the Hebrews) throughout the ages, and none of it is cemented in stone.
Lets not pretend that the New Testament has not happened.

The Romans also invented the name "Christian", (Acts 11:26) probably to mock the followers of Jesus, and as we can see names stick.
Palestinians who opposed the British mandate preferred to associate themselves with the Turkish Government.
You build a weak argument against the existence of Palestine based on their protests of those who lost the war that promised independence.
I am sure that you know that the mandate was also fought for by Palestinians, alongside poor Australian diggers.
The fact that people in your religious camp teach each other not to acknowledge the name of these people in a testimony to much darkness in your soul.
The fact is that very serious crimes have been committed by Israeli terrorists against Palestinians, and by doing this you cover for the crimes, thereby incriminating yourself also.
So what line of defense would you be setting up against this allegation?
"How can there be massacres, rapes and torturing of tooth fairies when tooth fairies do not exist?"

You are beyond belief. Hamas burned babies alive and videoed it to boast about their exploits. Gazans, your supposed Palestinians, danced in the streets in celebration. The Arabs in the West Bank also support Hamas atrocities. Israel finally decided to end the regular attacks on its territories once and for all. All I can say is it's about time. Governments have a responsibility to protect its people.

Unless you are a secret Muslim, you should be glad that Israel is defending itself. Because if Israel is destroyed, radical (i.e. normal) Muslims are coming for you and me. "First the Saturday people then the Sunday people". The present government of Australia won't even accept the truth that Islam is inherently hostile to Western values, to Judaism and to Christianity. The present government will sit back and watch while this nation is taken over. Ask the British how that is working for them.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus said I'm the good shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, I have come for the lost sheep of Israel.
I think we found your prophet.
If you want to underestimate God's abilities be my guest. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
If you think for one moment that all the jews weren't looking for there messiah from 70ad and on after all that they went through your Sadly mistaken.
All of what they went through had to come to pass. No other people ever went through the atrocities that the nation of Israel has endured. Unimaginable cruelty, but yet remained in the hope of the promise. Not just a neighboring enemy but the whole world turned against them.
Would you ever have the boldness to stand up and say you were a jew back then? How about now?
Would you have the boldness to come back to a land your ancestors once had with just the clothes on your back surrounded by your enemies ? To a place that was desolate. Hostile, being hated yet standing on a promise of the almighty mighty God that it will be fruitful.
This my friend is one of the most encouraging steps of faith this world has ever seen.
Forget the political garbage, the conspiracy theories for one moment and think of the courage it took to uproot and leave where you are
With your whole family to a place most never been to a desolate waste land and call it home, and thank God for it in song and dance while your enemies were loading up thinking they were ducks in a pond.

God fulfilled His promises.

 

[HeIsHere]

You are beyond belief. Hamas burned babies alive and videoed it to boast about their exploits. Gazans, your supposed Palestinians, danced in the streets in celebration. The Arabs in the West Bank also support Hamas atrocities. Israel finally decided to end the regular attacks on its territories once and for all. All I can say is it's about time. Governments have a responsibility to protect its people.

Unless you are a secret Muslim, you should be glad that Israel is defending itself. Because if Israel is destroyed, radical (i.e. normal) Muslims are coming for you and me. "First the Saturday people then the Sunday people". The present government of Australia won't even accept the truth that Islam is inherently hostile to Western values, to Judaism and to Christianity. The present government will sit back and watch while this nation is taken over. Ask the British how that is working for them.

The burned babies is a lie and this has been known for a while.
You really need to find a better news source.