Israel.

[Charlesiii]

Name one that I have said.

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/page-92#post-5648588

You speaking on Candace Owens: "CO is full of lies, conspiracy theories and hate."

Where?

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/

If it belonged there, the mods would put it there. What "conspiracy" are you talking about?

The thread opened on 16th September 2025. "What next?" was discussing the investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder, and the seeming complicity by the Feds and TPUSA by their hindering of the investigation. Yet it was only shut down today/yesterday, after it was publicly revealed that Erika Kirk had lied about Candace Owens' claim that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about his suspicion he would be murdered the day before he died. This was a key piece of evidence those hating on Candace Owens had been relying on as "proof" she was a liar. If the thread belonged in the conspiracy forum, why did it take 3 months to shut it down, and conveniently when one side's case fell apart after it was revealed that Erika Kirk lied? Some group obviously didn't want the fact that their side had been and is relying on deceit and slander made obvious to the world.

What was false?

You and others have called Candace Owens a liar for a number of things, although you are never specific because I don't believe you can be. One of the claims made (I don't know if this specific one was made by you) was that Candace Owens was lying that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about being murdered before he died. Erika Kirk previously made a public statement saying she had access to Charlie Kirk's phone, and these messages did not exist. This statement has since been proven to be false - Erika Kirk lied (irrespective of whether it was intentional).

 

[brightfame52]

What other way is there?

The Spiritual 1 Cor 1 Cor 15:46

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

2 Cor 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The Spiritual 1 Cor 1 Cor 15:46

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

2 Cor 5:16

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

You didn't answer the ques... never mind.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/page-92#post-5648588

You speaking on Candace Owens: "CO is full of lies, conspiracy theories and hate."

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/

Which she is and many people are publicly saying so. I posted a video of her caught in a lie and she STILL lied!! Live, on TV!! So as usual, you're wrong.

The thread opened on 16th September 2025. "What next?" was discussing the investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder, and the seeming complicity by the Feds and TPUSA by their hindering of the investigation. Yet it was only shut down today/yesterday, after it was publicly revealed that Erika Kirk had lied about Candace Owens' claim that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about his suspicion he would be murdered the day before he died. This was a key piece of evidence those hating on Candace Owens had been relying on as "proof" she was a liar. If the thread belonged in the conspiracy forum, why did it take 3 months to shut it down, and conveniently when one side's case fell apart after it was revealed that Erika Kirk lied? Some group obviously didn't want the fact that their side had been and is relying on deceit and slander made obvious to the world.
You and others have called Candace Owens a liar for a number of things, although you are never specific because I don't believe you can be.

To the mods, I'm responding to what has been said against me, not trying to start the argument all over again here, please note that. Now to you, the person that killed Charlie is in jail. Period. Ericka has never been under suspicion, TPUSA has not been under suspicion, ONE person and that person is in jail. That is why the thread was closed. If @Oncefallen wants to back that up, IDK. Mods don't have to give a reason, but I wasn't the one that got the thread shut down, I didn't post conspiracy theories. So no lies were told, you've falsely accused people but we won't hold our breath waiting for your apology.

One of the claims made (I don't know if this specific one was made by you) was that Candace Owens was lying that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about being murdered before he died. Erika Kirk previously made a public statement saying she had access to Charlie Kirk's phone, and these messages did not exist. This statement has since been proven to be false - Erika Kirk lied (irrespective of whether it was intentional).

I didn't make that claim and it doesn't matter or have any bearing on the trial. Ericka isn't under suspicion. That's why the thread was closed. So you were wrong on all counts in your statement.

 

[HeIsHere]

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/page-92#post-5648588

You speaking on Candace Owens: "CO is full of lies, conspiracy theories and hate."

https://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/charlie-kirk-so-what-now.220449/

The thread opened on 16th September 2025. "What next?" was discussing the investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder, and the seeming complicity by the Feds and TPUSA by their hindering of the investigation. Yet it was only shut down today/yesterday, after it was publicly revealed that Erika Kirk had lied about Candace Owens' claim that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about his suspicion he would be murdered the day before he died. This was a key piece of evidence those hating on Candace Owens had been relying on as "proof" she was a liar. If the thread belonged in the conspiracy forum, why did it take 3 months to shut it down, and conveniently when one side's case fell apart after it was revealed that Erika Kirk lied? Some group obviously didn't want the fact that their side had been and is relying on deceit and slander made obvious to the world.

You and others have called Candace Owens a liar for a number of things, although you are never specific because I don't believe you can be. One of the claims made (I don't know if this specific one was made by you) was that Candace Owens was lying that Charlie Kirk sent text messages about being murdered before he died. Erika Kirk previously made a public statement saying she had access to Charlie Kirk's phone, and these messages did not exist. This statement has since been proven to be false - Erika Kirk lied (irrespective of whether it was intentional).

As I recall it is...... "innocent til proven guilty" ... funny how some assert the legal argument when it works in their favor but at other times they feel oh so certain to state otherwise.

Things seem very out of balance.

A holocaust questioner, or a person who does not unequivocally support that settler colonial state is the biggest fiend ever .... they will mistreat the person, vilify them accordingly, call them all kinds of names etc.,

But somehow being a 'Christ denier" is excusable depending on who is doing the denying, one can just shift the blame to God who has them blinded for 2000+ years.

A lot to be gleaned from what a person values on an emotional, indoctrinated level, it creates a sort of fanaticism.

 

[Aaron56]

He does have all authority, and He gave that specific land to the Jews. He made a promise, and He will keep it. Thanks for making my point.

So, in your version of Christ, there are Jews and Gentiles. Got it.

Do you see the issue?

 

[Gideon300]

Ok, I got it wrong then.
You belong to a pro-Israeli religious cult and therefore believe all things pro-Israeli that you hear, which also means anti-Palestinian.

The assumption that "Israel" does no wrong throughout all these events is a delusional one.
Even the real Israel nation of the Old Testament had evil kings.
We would not be "blessing Israel" by supporting the evil works of Ahab and Jezabel.
Modern Israel in my understanding is the same as any other Gentile nation.
My brothers and sisters are those who are in Christ, and the rest belong to a different family.

I live in a rural community and know local people who hold to beliefs similar to yours.
We talk about completely different things for good reason, and get along fine.
Kind of reveals the weakness of internet forums to me.

I have not said that Israel does no wrong. God has punished Israel terribly for its evil ways. Your understanding of modern Israel is wrong. God promised to restore the nation and that He has done. Jews are saved exactly the same way as gentiles, as I've said many times. Israel exists as a nation to show the world that God is faithful and well able to fulfill His word. Israel should not exist. It is a tiny country of 10 million surrounded by 400 plus million Muslims who would delight to see Israel destroyed. Israel was legally formed, contrary to the lies and false propaganda of her enemies. Even if Israel is not God's nation (which she is), she has every right to exist in peace and also to self defence if she is attacked.

I am not anti Palestinian. How can you be against something that does not exist? You may as well accuse me of not believing in the tooth fairy. What I am against is Islam and the hostility of the world that demands Israel do what no other nation is expected to do. Why is there such hostility? The world is under the control of Satan. Satan knows full well that Israel is part of God's purpose for His kingdom. And that is why the world hates Israel without cause.

 

[Gideon300]

Most of the time, when the scriptures mention Israel they are referencing Jacob, in whom God changed his name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. Jacob, as Israel, represents all of God's elect. The 144,000 refers to the remnant of spiritual Israel who have been revealed the knowledge of the doctrine of Christ, and the rest of spiritual Israel/Jacob was blinded from that knowledge because they turned away from God and began to worship idols (Zeph 3:11=13.) All of God's elect that Christ died for are from every kindred, and tongue, and people and nation (Rev 5:9=10). All of spiritual Israel/Jacob is not of the nation of Israel (Rom 9:6).

Whatever.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

So, in your version of Christ, there are Jews and Gentiles. Got it.

Do you see the issue?

There is no issue.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I have not said that Israel does no wrong. God has punished Israel terribly for its evil ways. Your understanding of modern Israel is wrong. God promised to restore the nation and that He has done. Jews are saved exactly the same way as gentiles, as I've said many times. Israel exists as a nation to show the world that God is faithful and well able to fulfill His word. Israel should not exist. It is a tiny country of 10 million surrounded by 400 plus million Muslims who would delight to see Israel destroyed. Israel was legally formed, contrary to the lies and false propaganda of her enemies. Even if Israel is not God's nation (which she is), she has every right to exist in peace and also to self defence if she is attacked.

I am not anti Palestinian. How can you be against something that does not exist? You may as well accuse me of not believing in the tooth fairy. What I am against is Islam and the hostility of the world that demands Israel do what no other nation is expected to do. Why is there such hostility? The world is under the control of Satan. Satan knows full well that Israel is part of God's purpose for His kingdom. And that is why the world hates Israel without cause.

I don't know how many times we have to repeat it and they come back with the same story. Obviously they aren't reading our posts, they're just gonna put words in our mouths and then call us liars no matter how many times we repeat what we said. I have a two year old nephew that has better communication skills.

 

[Beekeeper]

I have not said that Israel does no wrong. God has punished Israel terribly for its evil ways. Your understanding of modern Israel is wrong. God promised to restore the nation and that He has done. Jews are saved exactly the same way as gentiles, as I've said many times. Israel exists as a nation to show the world that God is faithful and well able to fulfill His word. Israel should not exist. It is a tiny country of 10 million surrounded by 400 plus million Muslims who would delight to see Israel destroyed. Israel was legally formed, contrary to the lies and false propaganda of her enemies. Even if Israel is not God's nation (which she is), she has every right to exist in peace and also to self defence if she is attacked.

I am not anti Palestinian. How can you be against something that does not exist? You may as well accuse me of not believing in the tooth fairy. What I am against is Islam and the hostility of the world that demands Israel do what no other nation is expected to do. Why is there such hostility? The world is under the control of Satan. Satan knows full well that Israel is part of God's purpose for His kingdom. And that is why the world hates Israel without cause.

You can not be more hostile that telling people that they do not exist.
It must be confusing for you to stick to that principle.
Do you call Jaffa oranges "Arab" oranges, because they were bred by Palestinians from Jaffa?
If everyone just called Queenslanders "Australians" we would never know exactly who they are talking about.

Having known a whole generation of old Palestinians who remember the events before 1948 puts me in a position where I see your mindset in a different light.
The strange thing about Christian Zionists is that they are the least interested of all people to listen to the testimonies of old Palestinians, while they are the most willing of all people to share their mistaken beliefs about the history, and tell us what ancient tribe people should be categorized into.
To me this indicates that Religion can be a very dangerous and stupefying thing.
I do not blame Jesus for this, because He has never forced us to use the Bible badly.
I do not think that the world hates modern Israel without a cause, I think that it has committed a lot of evil.
People without Christ still have the law of God written on their hearts too, and Christians that support evil things in the name of a religious ideal do great damage to the testimony of Christ.
Many of the people who best understand this have also been citizens of modern Israel at some time in their lives.

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[Gideon300]

You can not be more hostile that telling people that they do not exist.
It must be confusing for you to stick to that principle.
Do you call Jaffa oranges "Arab" oranges, because they were bred by Palestinians from Jaffa?
If everyone just called Queenslanders "Australians" we would never know exactly who they are talking about.

Having known a whole generation of old Palestinians who remember the events before 1948 puts me in a position where I see your mindset in a different light.
The strange thing about Christian Zionists is that they are the least interested of all people to listen to the testimonies of old Palestinians, while they are the most willing of all people to share their mistaken beliefs about the history, and tell us what ancient tribe people should be categorized into.
To me this indicates that Religion can be a very dangerous and stupefying thing.
I do not blame Jesus for this, because He has never forced us to use the Bible badly.
I do not think that the world hates modern Israel without a cause, I think that it has committed a lot of evil.
People without Christ still have the law of God written on their hearts too, and Christians that support evil things in the name of a religious ideal do great damage to the testimony of Christ.
Many of the people who best understand this have also been citizens of modern Israel at some time in their lives.

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I've said what I've said based on historical facts. I have nothing more to add.

 

[Gideon300]

I don't know how many times we have to repeat it and they come back with the same story. Obviously they aren't reading our posts, they're just gonna put words in our mouths and then call us liars no matter how many times we repeat what we said. I have a two year old nephew that has better communication skills.

I think they do do read them, they just refuse to accept the truth. I don't know why. I expect nothing else from the world, but believers........... especially when God's word is so clear.

 

[PennEd]

I don't know how many times we have to repeat it and they come back with the same story. Obviously they aren't reading our posts, they're just gonna put words in our mouths and then call us liars no matter how many times we repeat what we said. I have a two year old nephew that has better communication skills.

In a sad, and backward kinda way, I almost like the Israel and Jew bashers here, and around the Globe.

Scripture says it would be that way just before Christ returns.

It will be interesting to see if they are indeed considered Jesus' Brethren in light of their treatment of His Blood Brethren.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In a sad, and backward kinda way, I almost like the Israel and Jew bashers here, and around the Globe.

Scripture says it would be that way just before Christ returns.

It will be interesting to see if they are indeed considered Jesus' Brethren in light of their treatment of His Blood Brethren.

Jesus made clear his brethren are those who do the will of God. What do you think his response will be towards those who claim his name, but engage in idolatry?

 

[Charlesiii]

Which she is and many people are publicly saying so. I posted a video of her caught in a lie and she STILL lied!! Live, on TV!! So as usual, you're wrong.

I won't waste my time watching your videos if you won't even post how she lied, or what she said. It would only take a sentence, but given you didn't take the opportunity and you've got plenty of time to post other low-detail content, I think it's a safe bet the lie doesn't exist.

To the mods, I'm responding to what has been said against me, not trying to start the argument all over again here, please note that. Now to you, the person that killed Charlie is in jail. Period. Ericka has never been under suspicion, TPUSA has not been under suspicion, ONE person and that person is in jail. That is why the thread was closed. If @Oncefallen wants to back that up, IDK. Mods don't have to give a reason, but I wasn't the one that got the thread shut down, I didn't post conspiracy theories. So no lies were told, you've falsely accused people but we won't hold our breath waiting for your apology.

Straw man. No one accused Erika Kirk of murder (that I saw). She was demonstrated to have lied, which destroys the claims that Candace Owens was lying about the matter in dispute. Very pertinent to a discussion on "Charlie Kirk - what next?" And then the thread gets shut down. Perhaps it was for the reason you stated, but that's not what the moderator comment on the thread stated, and the fact that Erika Kirk lied is not a conspiracy theory.

I didn't make that claim and it doesn't matter or have any bearing on the trial. Ericka isn't under suspicion. That's why the thread was closed. So you were wrong on all counts in your statement.

Read my statement. I indicated I wasn't sure if this was a claim you had made (that Candace was lying about Charlie Kirk messaging he thought "they" were going to kill him), but others certainly had made this claim, and used it as evidence that Candace Owens was lying. Well, the facts reveal that Candace was in fact speaking the truth, and Erika lied. Which casts further doubt on the claims of you and others that Candace is lying on the other topics, which are still yet to be determined.

Your posts creating straw man arguments and creating false accusations remind me why I had you on ignore before, so if you respond to the above with a less-than-rational response, that's where I'll be putting you again.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

They will justify any evil that Israel does

So I'm going to stop addressing the noobs here since they aren't reading posts, putting words in peoples mouths, saying things we never said or claimed. I'm just going to correct their posts with the truth and stop trying to have a conversation like an adult.

None of us have justified evil, period. We have said Israel hasn't committed genocide. Facts prove that. And as I have said a dozen times, if your intent is to wipe out a people, you don't tell them you're coming, where you will strike and what time of day. The Nazis rode into town, knocked on doors, get out now and loaded people on trains and murdered those who hesitated or refused THAT is a genocide.

because that kind of inhumanity and cruelty is baked into their own cultures.

No idea who they is or what culture this poster is talking about.

Israel provides the opportunity to spiritualize and deify the right to oppress, colonize and exterminate other peoples for one's own benefit.

Again, no idea what this poster is talking about. There are 56 countries in the world with a Muslim majority and only one with a Jewish majority, who is the oppressor and colonizer. smh

One day, not too far from now, the oppression and violence they have sown against others, and justified, will return to them, because God is a just God.

Them/They = Hamas and their Palestinians supporters.

 

[Charlesiii]

In a sad, and backward kinda way, I almost like the Israel and Jew bashers here, and around the Globe.

Scripture says it would be that way just before Christ returns.

It will be interesting to see if they are indeed considered Jesus' Brethren in light of their treatment of His Blood Brethren.

I trust you have not misunderstood the gospel message?

Mark 3: 31 - 35
31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I won't waste my time watching your videos if you won't even post how she lied

It's posted in the closed thread.

Straw man. No one accused Erika Kirk of murder (that I saw). She was demonstrated to have lied, which destroys the claims that Candace Owens was lying about a matter in dispute. Very pertinent to a discussion on "Charlie Kirk - what next?" And then the thread gets shut down. Perhaps it was for the reason you stated, but that's not what the moderator comment on the thread stated, and the fact that Erika Kirk lied is not a conspiracy theory.

Moderator -
"Since this has long since degraded into something that belongs in the Conspiracy Forum, it is now closed."

Read my statement. I indicated I wasn't sure if this was a claim you had made (that Candace was lying about Charlie Kirk messaging he thought "they" were going to kill him), but others certainly had made this claim, and used it as evidence that Candace Owens was lying. Well, the facts reveal that Candace was in fact speaking the truth, and Erika lied. Which casts further doubt on the claims of you and others that Candace is lying on the other topics, which are still yet to be determined.

It's irrelevant to who killed Charlie Kirk.

Your posts creating straw man arguments and not creating false accusations remind me why I had you on ignore before, so if you respond to the above with a less-than-rational response, that's where I'll be putting you again.

Putting me on ignore is no threat. This is the end of this conversation. Mods shut down a thread, that doesn't mean go start it again somewhere else. It was shut down for a reason and this will be shut down too if you keep pushing it.

 

[God-fearing]

What country do you live in? America? Look what they're doing now by resorting to open sea piracy and threatening to invade Venezuela because they say their land and oil belongs to them. See a pattern?

What does that have to do with Israel?
So your on the conspiracy level of left and right politics? On you subject above I guess we could turn a bling eye to the drug and human trafficking. The stolen election, a country that supports the cartel, who associates with known enemies of the united states.
That would be kinda foolish being so close to our boarders wouldn't you agree?
Sometimes pro action is necessary to get the point across. We will not tolerate such actions even near our boarders let alone inside our boarders. Why make there money off drug trade if they have all that oil ? We dont need there oil. We have plenty here.
Besides they sell it to our enemies to fuel there objective to war against us.