The Gospel itself is not hidden because anyone can pick up the Bible and read it.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The key however is that they might not see it but they are able to find it and listen to it or read about it.
don't understand what exactly, that your saying a person can find the bible read the bible and understand it ?
I guess I'm dumb then.
You where being clever, you know you where, your answer was in relation to the gospel being hiden, and I'm saying an unbeliver can read the the bible, understand it for some part, but then lean on there own understanding.
Tell me is the gospel still hidden to them ?
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4 v 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
No, you are not dumb so don't think that. I am saying you misunderstood so you just aren't getting it right now.
The first sentence begins with...but IF it be hid. That is not saying it is.But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4 v 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Practically every unbeliever we have contact with has heard the Gospel every Christmas season and Easter.
The Gospel is VERY simple.
You do not have to understand the Bible to be saved.
Just find yourself able to believe Jesus really lived and went to the Cross.
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any person can read the gospel but what's hidden is the light from them. The light is there in the gospel, they see the light but it's still hiden from them because the light, the lord has not come to them.
The gospel is power to save, which means the light is the power.
Am I still dumb
No, your perspective and presentation is unique but largely grounded in Scripture still the same... what is amazing
is those who claim they are Christians saying things that are the opposite of what Scripture plainly says.
Like those who say everyone hears. That contradicts what Jesus said.
They don't care. They won't accept correction.
Actually yes. I said "God if you don't save me there is no-one who can." Guess what? He kept His word and saved me. It is quite biblical to cry out for salvation. How many verses would you like?
You do that do you, because it certainly doesn't show up in your posting.
Said many times we were drawn by His light and truth by means of grace. So God did most definitely "intervened".
No, it was God's grace and the only argument we have is with you and your constant lies and misrepresentations.
There never is with you is there. No matter how many times it is explained you carry on like the two monkeys, don't see and don't hear.
How about you try acting like the third one and zip it.
And please, do move along and go find yourself someone else to harass with your lies.
Have a real nice Day.
How in the world could it have ONLY by God's grace since that grace is totally ineffective? The only component to salvation that has efficacy to it, according to FWT, is man's "freewill", since all men are in total control of their eternal destiny.
You are on the right track because it takes God living inside you to reveal God in everything else.
The Gospel is not hidden from anyone. The true meaning of the Gospel is hid but the Gospel itself is not hidden from anyone.
There are three distinct kinds of soteriological freedom: There's freedom FROM the Penalty of sin (Justification), from the Power of sin (Sanctification) and from the Presence of sin (Glorification). You FWers steadfastly refuse to believe that the only way the will can truly be free is when the will is freed from the power of its bondage to its sin nature. You talk up freedom but it's always freedom TO do, never freedom from adverse influences or consequences. Of course, you can't believe that because then you'd be in the effectual grace camp that actually empowers the sinner's faculties in his heart to make righteous choices. And God forbid that He should force anyone to believe, right?
Is that why you think God saved you: Because you're good enough? God saw merit in your life?