Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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the ancestry and history of man is the will of the flesh, which is not spiritual.
John 1
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, of God.
You can only to do much for people you don't know blain, but I do appreciate your efforts
.ok ... thanks for providing that, Jordon ...
Here are links to the discussion:
Post 29,120 - submitted by HeIsHere
Post 29,140 - submitted by BillyBob
Post 29,375 - submitted by HeIsHere
Post 29,379 - submitted by Cameron143
Post 29,390 - submitted by Genez
Post 29,392 - submitted by Jordon
Post 29,433 - submitted by Genez
continuing the discussion with full comments provided:
Yep your making sin out to not be evil again.
God
Corrects the sinners and there sins which are seen as wicked deeds.
Evil would be when someone who has sinned, says the following is not true.
If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Sin should simply be recognized and be dealt with instantly.
Evil wants to enhance sinning, and to perpetuate what he knows to be sin.
Lying is a sin. 1 John 1:9 instantly deals with it.
But ,,, enjoying lying goes beyond simple sin.
Making lying into a means for one's own pleasure and another's hurt, overflows into the realm of "evil.'
It is what one chooses to do with their sins that will determine if they are evil.
Our time on earth is short.
What we choose while on earth will last forever.
yep and once again your saying sin is not evil despite scripture clearly stating sin is evil in the lord's eyes
All sin is evil. But not all evil is sin.
Giving to the poor through the Spirit is divine Good. Giving to the poor through your Flesh....is evil/human good/ human deeds/human works.
It is not a sin for unbelievers to give to the poor......But it is evil/human good/human deeds/human works.
In not sure how you can paint the picture of giving to poor evil, I suppose it comes from desperation to be Mr dominant free willer.
It seems to be the general theme around here for free will.
Well have a nice night and lll look forward to more tomorrow.
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf,
HEB 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to distinguish between good and evil.
Now if @Magenta will provide the post wherein any so-called "free willer" (or anyone else for that matter) stated that "mothers loving and caring for their children as evil" as claimed by her ...
Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."
then we can confirm the veracity of her claim ...
The discussion was between Genez, you, and Kroogz ... I do not believe "making magenta look bad" was in view ... that's something only God would know as He is the one Who sees the heart of man and God alone knows the thoughts and intents of a person's heart.Jordon said:
It appears to me that your discussion with Genez and Kroogz was not related to whatever Magenta was referring to when she claimed "free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."
seems to me the so-called "sarcastic free willer" was agreeing with Magenta as Magenta has continuously stated that there is nothing good in the flesh ... that flesh can only serve the law of sinJordon said:
additionally, I do not believe Magenta was referring to the discussion you were having with Genez and Kroogz ... Magenta responded to a post submitted by BillyBob and BillyBob responded to a post submitted by me ... so I don't know
yes ... I do work full time and I had a busy day yesterday ... I'm trying to get all my work done before I take off later this month.Jordon said:
not sure what time it is in your neck of the woods, but hope/pray you have a very nice, peaceful day ...
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first five posts submitted by me in this thread ...
Post 1,958
Post 1,963
Post 2,004
Post 2,057
Post 2,066
Please let me know which post submitted by me supports your claim that I "entered this thread breathing out lies and false accusations" ... otherwise your accusation is just as empty as your claim that "free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."" ... the claim for which you have provided absolutely zero factual support ... although Jordon has made a valiant effort on your behalf.
p.s. just in case you can't support your claim in the first 5 posts submitted by me ... I'll provide the next 5 posts in the next day or two ... or, if you'd rather just apologize for having made an error concerning my entering into the thread "breathing out lies and false accusations" ... that's another option ... up to you ... although silence on your part speaks volumes ... just sayin'
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I will have a nice day, ty
But I really can't see why you can't see the picture here, genez paints the picture as sin not being evil and kroogz paints the picture as giving to the poor as evil
Excuse me but am I back to front or something ?
Theres something not right there with both their comments,
And you still find reason to disagree, and rule out kroogz was not being sarcastic and rule out magenta was not making them see there own ignorance,
Absolutely incredible
reneweddaybyday said:
The Greek word paliggenesía is translated into English "regeneration" in Titus 3:5; the word paliggenesía is made up of two Greek words ... palin = again and genesis = birth.
I believe natural man can believe truth in God's Word before being born again. Each time a person believes truth, God brings increase to the heart ... that does not mean a person is born again. The truth that must be believed in order for regeneration to take place is the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16). The natural man is brought to the point of believing the gospel through God's drawing as he or she believes over the course of time ... some folks come to believe the gospel on their deathbeds ... some folks believe the gospel at a young age and their relationship with the Father develops in this lifetime, bringing the newly born again one from babe in Christ feeding on the milk of the Word to more mature and feeding on the meat of the Word.
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is it your claim that natural man is given a new heart "long before" he or she hears the gospel?
from a site you support ... (bold mine)
What does the Bible mean when it says that we will receive a new heart?
When we are born again, God performs a heart transplant, as it were. He gives us a new heart. The power of the Holy Spirit changes our hearts from sin-focused to God-focused. We do not become perfect (1 John 1:8); we still have our sinful flesh and the freedom to choose whether or not to obey it. However, when Jesus died for us on the cross, He broke the power of sin that controls us (Romans 6:10). Receiving Him as our Savior gives us access to God and His power—a power to transform our hearts from sin-hardened to Christ-softened. When we were separated from God with hardened hearts, we found it impossible to please Him. We tended toward selfishness, rebellion, and sin. With new hearts we are declared righteous before God (2 Corinthians 5:21). The Holy Spirit gives us a desire to please God that was foreign to us in our hardened state.
not true ... there is no gestation period in the new birth. A person is not born again unless and until he or she believes in the Lord Jesus Christ ... that Christ died for our sins and He rose again the third day (1 Cor 15:1-4).Rufus said:
You are describing God's drawing through His lovingkindness which I agree takes place over time.Rufus said:
The Greek word paliggenesía is translated into English "regeneration" in Titus 3:5; the word paliggenesía is made up of two Greek words ... palin = again and genesis = birth.
I believe natural man can believe truth in God's Word before being born again. Each time a person believes truth, God brings increase to the heart ... that does not mean a person is born again. The truth that must be believed in order for regeneration to take place is the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16). The natural man is brought to the point of believing the gospel through God's drawing as he or she believes over the course of time ... some folks come to believe the gospel on their deathbeds ... some folks believe the gospel at a young age and their relationship with the Father develops in this lifetime, bringing the newly born again one from babe in Christ feeding on the milk of the Word to more mature and feeding on the meat of the Word.
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I'll try to respond to this post later today ... but might not get to it until tomorrow ... gotta run to work now ... pray you have a blessed day.
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Sorry but the Gospel is hidden to them that are lost causing unbelief.
Believe this, the Gospel is hidden to them that are lost causing unbelief.
Irony...
The Gospel is an open secret.
One can be looking at it and not see it.
Without grace = Will not see it.
With grace = Made able to see it.
Then the Holy Spirit does the work to bring us to Christ.
How one resists the Spirit may determine if one becomes a believer, or merely religious.
Worse yet, ending up like the degenerates found in Romans 1:20-22.
Which shows.... even though grace was given... men can still resist the Holy Spirit.
Resisting the Holy Spirit refers to rejecting or opposing the guidance and truth that the Holy Spirit provides, often seen in the context of refusing to accept God's message or instructions. This concept is highlighted in Acts 7:51, where it describes people as "stiff-necked" and "uncircumcised in heart and ears," indicating a refusal to listen to spiritual truth.
Grace and peace ......
and you can also lean on your own understanding and insult people with your understanding to
Or it's like over compensating something because they understand their position is not as valid as they presumed.People can understand something but still don't listen, it's like this, you knew something was wrong but you still did it.
Kinda like saying special people ride the short bus knowing that unfortunately those who ride the short bus are classified as special needs people.
can't see the comparison really, special needs kids are a different story all togeather, and not all special needs kids are not as dumb as people make out,
Which special needs kids where you thinking of ?
That is not the issue and you know it. It's still in the Bible and it can be understood without being Saved.
I was making a comparison to their attempt trying to make it valid but you don't even understand it anyway yourself.