Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[sawdust]

Did you ask to be saved?

Actually yes. I said "God if you don't save me there is no-one who can." Guess what? He kept His word and saved me. It is quite biblical to cry out for salvation. How many verses would you like?

Oh, wait a minute, what was I thinking?

You do that do you, because it certainly doesn't show up in your posting.

You did not need God to intervene to bring you to belief.

Said many times we were drawn by His light and truth by means of grace. So God did most definitely "intervened".

You did it all on your own! Eh. You contradict Scripture.

No, it was God's grace and the only argument we have is with you and your constant lies and misrepresentations.

Nothing new there. Moving along...

There never is with you is there. No matter how many times it is explained you carry on like the two monkeys, don't see and don't hear.

How about you try acting like the third one and zip it.

And please, do move along and go find yourself someone else to harass with your lies.

Have a real nice Day.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 9 verse 18; John 6 verse 44; John 6 verse 65; John 6 verse 37; John 6 verse63; Titus 3 verse5 ~ God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. He saved us because of His mercy, through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8 verses 9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.

 

[Rufus]

They believe themselves to be better than Adam. Some do not believe Adam's deliberate sin had
any effect on the rest of humanity. It always kind of amazes me when anyone calls Adam perfect.

Or a HERO!

Also, when the use a term like "perfect" to describe Adam, it betrays their profane imaginations. For is something is truly perfect, then it cannot change; for any change would have to be for the better or the worse. God is immutable precisely because He is perfect and, therefore, cannot change.

 

[Rufus]

On the one hand they want us to believe they understand that which they oppose but on the other
hand they keep presenting material that shows they are completely ignorant of their own ignorance.

Either that or the material they present is designed to deceive. It could be both, actually.

Talking out of both sides of their mouth is not a good look for them, though.

Which is the essence of self-deception.

 

[Blain]

What does authority have to do with freedom? What happened when Adam ignored the Lord's authority? Without authority there is no freedom, only chaos. Authority is what sets the boundaries and limitations according to the nature of a thing so that it can freely be the thing it is to its fullest potential.

Of course I have a will of my own. How do you think we still sin? Christ had a will of His own John 6:38. It's how one uses their will that matters. In Christ we are free to use our will for His glory, in bondage to sin we are not free to do anything but our own will. I never "traded" my will for Christ's (would have solved many problems instantly if that were the case) rather, I simply learnt to delight in doing my Father's will as Christ did.

Are you going to keep ignoring John 8:36 and say we do not have perfect freedom in Christ? What do you think you are submitting to if not the Lord''s authority? It is His authority that makes us perfectly free to become the perfect human. Is Christ not the perfect human and are we not to grow up to be just like Him?

1Cor.6:19 states to whom we belong. It does not signify what that ownership is like or how it works or how we experience it.

Yes you have a will but not a free one if you did then you could merely speak something and it would happen The verse I gaave does more than show who we belong to which of itself would imply we are not free because we were bought by the blood purchased according to His will not ours

Where in scripture does it say we have a free will? it doesn't that is the thing so your basing your logic on what exactly? but the scriptures do say this Romans 6:16-18, which states we become slaves to whoever we obey

So that is what my standing is and it is on solid ground but yours? what ground or source do you get your understanding from? If there is no scripture that states one can freely choose with a free will then all your doing is giving your opinion

 

[Magenta]

Yes you have a will but not a free one

Head, meet wall...

 

[sawdust]

Yes you have a will but not a free one if you did then you could merely speak something and it would happen The verse I gaave does more than show who we belong to which of itself would imply we are not free because we were bought by the blood purchased according to His will not ours

Where in scripture does it say we have a free will? it doesn't that is the thing so your basing your logic on what exactly? but the scriptures do say this Romans 6:16-18, which states we become slaves to whoever we obey

So that is what my standing is and it is on solid ground but yours? what ground or source do you get your understanding from? If there is no scripture that states one can freely choose with a free will then all your doing is giving your opinion

Strewth. Who ever said God created our will to create out from nothing? That is purely God's domain. Our will is meant to reveal our desires and in so doing, reveal who we are as people. It is not given for creating stuff. That (possibly) will have to wait for eternity and only those who aligned their will with God's of their own free will, will be given that sort of power.

I am basing my information on John 8:36. You are either free indeed or you're not. If you were bound to God's will in the same way our will was bound to sin, you could do nothing but righteousness. Are you prepared to say you never sin? @Cameron143 certainly wasn't, he had to fudge around the issue.

The Lord God does not compel us to do anything we do not want to do. There will be consequences for disobedience but we can sin and do so. We are not under bondage to God not matter how you want to spin it. We give ourselves freely to the will of God because he has freed us (including our will) for anything less is compulsion and has no place in love.

You made your ground "solid" because you have determined you can will for nothing other than what God wills. Doesn't work that way. You are free to willfully choose to disregard John 8:36 and say you are only partially free. Your choice, according to your will.

 

[lrs68]

Seriously, each of them does. The problem is with your comprehension. Guess that goes a long way in explaining why you believe the way you do. If you are actually able to comprehend them, then refute them.

Comprehension, or the fact that you believe this way so you just assert your beliefs into Scripture because it doesn't say anything that you are claiming anywhere.

 

[brightfame52]

If someone hears the Gospel preached and then believes that means it's not hid.

The Gospel is hidden to the lost, so that means you have to be saved in order to believe it. I gave you evidence of scripture and you still don't believe it.

 

[lrs68]

The Gospel is hidden to the lost, so that means you have to be saved in order to believe it. I gave you evidence of scripture and you still don't believe it.

The only time that the Bible said about the Gospel because it's about Jesus was ever hidden was the Jews in Jesus day and Paul confirmed that.

The lost are able to find the Gospel or read the Bible any time any place anywhere. So it's not anywhere close to being hidden from them. They probably pick Bibles up all the time but don't read them. But it's definitely not hidden from them.

 

[Genez]

more unverifiable accusations ...





The only post I've asked you to provide is ...

Magenta said:​

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."​

reneweddaybyday said:​

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.​

if you'd provide that post, we can confirm whether your claim is factual or not ... and that would also confirm whether your statement that I "entered this thread breathing out lies and false accusations" is factual or not.

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We are all well acquainted with how she thinks like by now.
If she stays her course?

When it comes time for her to enter into the realm of 1 Corinthians 3:11-15?

Magenta might be surprised when she is turned into Burnt Umber.

For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. ​

If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, ​

their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. ​

It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. ​

If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. ​

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only ​

as one escaping through the flames. ​

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[lrs68]

The only time that the Bible said about the Gospel because it's about Jesus was ever hidden was the Jews in Jesus day and Paul confirmed that.

The lost are able to find the Gospel or read the Bible any time any place anywhere. So it's not anywhere close to being hidden from them. They probably pick Bibles up all the time but don't read them. But it's definitely not hidden from them.

That is the truth and you red x that post because it's truer than your posts that NOWHERE says Regeneration begins before belief. It's literally nowhere in the Bible but you are here lying like it is.

At least my post about sinners being able to find the Bible that contains the Gospel is absolute 100% fact unlike your lies.

 

[rogerg]

The only time that the Bible said about the Gospel because it's about Jesus was ever hidden was the Jews in Jesus day and Paul confirmed that.

The lost are able to find the Gospel or read the Bible any time any place anywhere. So it's not anywhere close to being hidden from them. They probably pick Bibles up all the time but don't read them. But it's definitely not hidden from them.

Reading, as opposed to comprehending and discerning, are two very different things. Your rely demonstrate that you are unaware and shows a complete lack of comprehension on your part.

 

[lrs68]

Reading, as opposed to comprehending and discerning, are two very different things. Your rely demonstrate that you are unaware and shows a complete lack of comprehension on your part.

But it's not hidden from them. It merely requires the Holy Ghost to understand the spiritual things. But the stories and lineage and factual true history like Egyptian Pharaohs, Babylonian kings, Tyre kings, Abraham to Jesus anyone can understand that.

 

[BillyBob]

If a beggar asks me for lunch and I provide him with a sandwich - he did not contribute anything to the sandwich.

Your example shows explains that you gave because of the asking. That is not grace! You are giving because of something done by the person receiving. God requires nothing. Now that is Grace!

 

[Cameron143]

Strewth. Who ever said God created our will to create out from nothing? That is purely God's domain. Our will is meant to reveal our desires and in so doing, reveal who we are as people. It is not given for creating stuff. That (possibly) will have to wait for eternity and only those who aligned their will with God's of their own free will, will be given that sort of power.

I am basing my information on John 8:36. You are either free indeed or you're not. If you were bound to God's will in the same way our will was bound to sin, you could do nothing but righteousness. Are you prepared to say you never sin? @Cameron143 certainly wasn't, he had to fudge around the issue.

The Lord God does not compel us to do anything we do not want to do. There will be consequences for disobedience but we can sin and do so. We are not under bondage to God not matter how you want to spin it. We give ourselves freely to the will of God because he has freed us (including our will) for anything less is compulsion and has no place in love.

You made your ground "solid" because you have determined you can will for nothing other than what God wills. Doesn't work that way. You are free to willfully choose to disregard John 8:36 and say you are only partially free. Your choice, according to your will.

You don't pay attention. Of course I sin. I can walk in the Spirit or in the flesh. The one I walk in exerts influence upon me. Don't know why this is so hard to understand.
And God does compel us according to Philippians 2:13.

 

[Blain]

Strewth. Who ever said God created our will to create out from nothing? That is purely God's domain. Our will is meant to reveal our desires and in so doing, reveal who we are as people. It is not given for creating stuff. That (possibly) will have to wait for eternity and only those who aligned their will with God's of their own free will, will be given that sort of power.

I am basing my information on John 8:36. You are either free indeed or you're not. If you were bound to God's will in the same way our will was bound to sin, you could do nothing but righteousness. Are you prepared to say you never sin? @Cameron143 certainly wasn't, he had to fudge around the issue.

The Lord God does not compel us to do anything we do not want to do. There will be consequences for disobedience but we can sin and do so. We are not under bondage to God not matter how you want to spin it. We give ourselves freely to the will of God because he has freed us (including our will) for anything less is compulsion and has no place in love.

You made your ground "solid" because you have determined you can will for nothing other than what God wills. Doesn't work that way. You are free to willfully choose to disregard John 8:36 and say you are only partially free. Your choice, according to your will.

The issue with your logic is that the verse you basing this one which says nothing about free will is speaking of being free from the chains of sin as spoken of in the context that you cherry picked the verse from.

Yet the scriptures I gave you completely disregard and have yet to be able to refute any of them, The scriptures clearly show we are not free because like a slave we were bought purchased and like a slave it is always his will that must be done so our will in submitting ourselves to Christ doesn't matter

So if you have any other verse that you can try to prove your side then please by all means provide it as I have been asking for it for a while now to free willers but if this one verse is all you can give then you have no ground to stand on because this verse is speaking of a different form of freedom but you want it to mean something else when it doesn't

 

[Genez]

The Gospel is hidden to the lost, so that means you have to be saved in order to believe it. I gave you evidence of scripture and you still don't believe it.

It means that their soul has to be prepped by God's grace, before that soul is made able to believe.
For without grace the flesh will always get in the way of the soul and force the soul to reject.

Even with grace applied?
If they resist, and reject the drawing of God?
Then, without the needed grace to enable to see?
The Gospel will remain hidden for that reason.

And, that is why God holds all unbelievers accountable.
For they resisted God's grace to believe!

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For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, ​

teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should ​

live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age. Titus 2:11-12​

I believe God's Word.

 

[rogerg]

But it's not hidden from them. It merely requires the Holy Ghost to understand the spiritual things. But the stories and lineage and factual true history like Egyptian Pharaohs, Babylonian kings, Tyre kings, Abraham to Jesus anyone can understand that.

No, they can't. Did you understand the verse that @brightfame52 posted to you? It states specifically the opposite of that. No one has the Holy Spirit indwelling them until saved. Only a very few have come into this world from the womb unblinded. Everyone else, therefore, starts out in a spiritually blinded state. They will remain so with the true meaning of the gospel hidden by the god of this world. Being in a spiritual blinded state, something must happen to them on the spiritual level, not the physical level, to remove that blindness - physical sight or physical reading of the gospel by natural man cannot pierce it. After salvation, it will be removed, and the gospel message will begin to shine through to them, growing over time, even if initially they are unaware of what has caused it.