Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The interpretation in the here and now is the lord can refine you with fire and destroy any evil your holding
God gives everyone MFW, which allows souls either to be mules or to be made in the image of Christ
(Rom. 12:2, 2Cor. 4:4-18).
I'm not sure which parts i asked whether it should be seen a moral free will for you to have, I asked whether it was his will being planted in you.
For me I understand what your saying, and you can see the morality in his will,
But to be perfectly honest with you
I know atheists which say The bible is just a book of human morality, that just expresses normality and morals
No joke friend I'm serious
That is okay because we are addressing the Biblical concept of free will, not the philosophical one.
Repent and Believe - But You Can't!
The Consistent Inconsistent Calvinist Gospel By Ross Chenault
Repent and believe, just give it a try.
Just know that you're doomed from the start.
If you're not chosen you're doomed, so why even try?
But still seek me with all of your heart.
I know that I've told you to think and to act-
and obey Me in all of My ways.
But the dead are not free to choose or to act: A dead corpse has nothing to say.
I know that I've said many thousands of times to repent and believe and obey.
But I'm sovereign you see: I don't say what I mean!
Those are just words that I say.
So why do I give all those calls to repent: Why say all those things I don't mean?
Because they're just word games—not genuine calls!
Those words are just not what they seem.
The dead can't respond or obey my commands,
They're all just slaves to their sin.
But I'll select just a few and I'll zap them with faith; and make them be born again.
The Consistent Inconsistent Calvinist Gospel By Ross Chenault
Repent and believe, just give it a try.
Just know that you're doomed from the start.
If you're not chosen you're doomed, so why even try?
But still seek me with all of your heart.
I know that I've told you to think and to act-
and obey Me in all of My ways.
But the dead are not free to choose or to act: A dead corpse has nothing to say.
I know that I've said many thousands of times to repent and believe and obey.
But I'm sovereign you see: I don't say what I mean!
Those are just words that I say.
So why do I give all those calls to repent: Why say all those things I don't mean?
Because they're just word games—not genuine calls!
Those words are just not what they seem.
The dead can't respond or obey my commands,
They're all just slaves to their sin.
But I'll select just a few and I'll zap them with faith; and make them be born again.
That explains it then, why Reformed theology is so very irrational.
From what I have read, most people leave the system because of the assault on the character of God, finding themselves loving people whom God hates and possibly not selected for salvation.
This doctrine is not for the tenderhearted, it requires a person to harden their heart against humanity and tell themselves they are special and rightly so.
As well, people somehow see the inherent inconsistencies of the system and the cognitive dissonance it requires and become weary and leave!!
Praise God!
Good post.
It sounds like someone has an an annoyance with God's will and it's been taken to a level of self pity blaming God for needing saving against there own actions, to be honest Calvin taught being obedient to the father,
Any person who miss represents calvin teachings it's on them.
All so what your describing sounds like someone's agenda against God more than anything else.
Its also sayin i should have will to decide, as well as saying so the bible is not true, because if man was fallen and dead they need to be zapped. And it not right one person should be zapped over the next, ultimately thats called denial
The truth is God planted the seed of belief before the fall.and plants more seeds after the fall and more seeds until there saved.
The reality is that's his will.
If however somebody wants to persistently rule on about mans state of fallen nature being something that should influence there way of understanding God, perhaps there dead.
We have stated multiple times the context determines the semantics.
I know what you meant all right
What you meant is I'm a child and your man.
Only my God says you make mountains out of mole hills.
Which makes you a bigger child than me
I am sure you understood what you said.
(just don't try to explain it to anybody who does not get high)
I do not see that in scripture either... a saving grace without conditions.
Oh so many troubles with this system....
- first changing the character of God, morally ambivalent, author of evil, elitist
- then changing the meaning of words in context,
- mining scripture for verses to pull out of context,
- disregarding basic hermeneutical principles
- build a doctrine on isolated verses
- use "mystery" as a way to provide cover for problems in the system
- tell people they do not understand the system when then find the logical inconsistencies or scripture which refutes the system
- over complicate what is simple in scripture
- one has to be trained to read the bible differently to make the system work
- borrows biblical language but twists the meaning.
- And on and on......
they did show mercy ... they broke God's commandment, they did not rid the land of the inhabitants, they entered into covenant shortly after entering the promised land (Joshua 9).
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yes ... if they had "welcomed the truth" and believed the gospel ... salvation would be a reality, not just a possibility.
the key to the verse is not "might" as emphasized in Post 27,486 ... the key to the verse is the word "received" and, as explained, the word in the Greek means to receive in a welcoming (receptive) way. 1209 (déxomai) is used of people welcoming God (His offers), like receiving and sharing in His salvation.
when truth is received and the gospel is believed, salvation is not just a possibility, it is a reality because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
Because those spoken of in 2 Thes 2:10 did not love the truth, they did not believe the gospel, and they did not partake of the promise ... not because the promise failed, but because they failed to receive that which would bring them to salvation.
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So then does this unceasing incendiary internecine fusillade of shrieking condemnations against this supposedly "totally depraved" mass of humanity (who THEY SAY have zero hope of salvation via the hearing of the gospel message) habitually unleashed by a few of the hardest-core Calvinists on this board validate your theory?
Seems like a safe bet to make.....
